Petition to increase non-resident costs

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That poor horse

 

[Clay Showalter]

Nope. Wouldn't support Ohio doing it any more than they did the last couple years until they make resident land owners pay for a license. And some day I hope to be an Ohio resident landowner but currently a NR landowner. Might be wrong but I believe Ohio is the only state that does that with Ohio resident landowners.

NR landowners in Ohio do not have to buy a license or tags to hunt on your land, if the same rules apply for the state you reside in. I live in NC and you do not have to buy a license or pay for tags to hunt on your land.

Now if this rule has changed for this year please let me know. Our family farm was put in my name for the sole purpose of me not having to buy an out of state license.

 

[Buckkillr]

NR landowners in Ohio do not have to buy a license or tags to hunt on your land, if the same rules apply for the state you reside in. I live in NC and you do not have to buy a license or pay for tags to hunt on your land.

Now if this rule has changed for this year please let me know. Our family farm was put in my name for the sole purpose of me not having to buy an out of state license.

If your a resident in Ohio and land owner you do not need a license or tag to hunt your land

 

[giles]

So if I bought land, let’s say in AK, I should be bitching about tag prices? I would think my biggest complaint should be in travel expenses. Tags and such are what takes care of the game I’m after. With everything else going up in price, why shouldn’t these fees/taxes?

Example, 20 years ago the ONDR could purchase a truck for $15,000. Today that truck cost around $30,000. Fuel for that truck was around $1 20 years ago. So if we want an increase for those coming to the state for pleasure, why shouldn’t they pick up the biggest increase?

If I own a military surplus store, should I charge the troops the same price as the civilians for the same product? Our should I discount the troops and let everyone else carry the business? Maybe take care of those taking care of us.

 

[Sgt Fury]

So if I bought land, let’s say in AK, I should be bitching about tag prices? I would think my biggest complaint should be in travel expenses. Tags and such are what takes care of the game I’m after. With everything else going up in price, why shouldn’t these fees/taxes?

Example, 20 years ago the ONDR could purchase a truck for $15,000. Today that truck cost around $30,000. Fuel for that truck was around $1 20 years ago. So if we want an increase for those coming to the state for pleasure, why shouldn’t they pick up the biggest increase?

If I own a military surplus store, should I charge the troops the same price as the civilians for the same product? Our should I discount the troops and let everyone else carry the business? Maybe take care of those taking care of us.

So you’re saying that because my truck is more expensive and the fuel is more expensive.....that maybe my license should be free? That would help offset the cost of my trip. Thanks bud!

 

[Chass]

How about this. Let's keep the NR fees the same but implement a trophy fee. Say $5 an inch. If that 170 inch buck is worth $850 to them then party on. A bargain considering what outfitters charge. And a hell of a deal considering the state has set the restitution value of any deer over 125 inches at $120 an inch.

Where coonskinners green smiley when I need it.

Thatd be bad news, leave the scoring completely out of the equation for those that abide by the law. Shouldnt have to know what something scores on the hoof to see if you can afford it. Dad shouldnt have to pull his kids off a deer cause it's too big unless they're behind a fence. Now for poachers, hell yeah $ per inch, take everything they used to do it.

Also not for shutting down the outfitters. That's a business and theres something just completely wrong with wanting to shut down good American born and grown businesses especially the small family ran stuff which is the majority of your outfitters. Yeah there are some bad eggs in the bunch that do shady stuff and screw their clients. But most are exceptional stewards of the land they manage. If they werent they couldnt bring in thousands per week per hunter year in and year out.

 

[Jackalope]

Thatd be bad news, leave the scoring completely out of the equation for those that abide by the law. Shouldnt have to know what something scores on the hoof to see if you can afford it. Dad shouldnt have to pull his kids off a deer cause it's too big unless they're behind a fence. Now for poachers, hell yeah $ per inch, take everything they used to do it.

Also not for shutting down the outfitters. That's a business and theres something just completely wrong with wanting to shut down good American born and grown businesses especially the small family ran stuff which is the majority of your outfitters. Yeah there are some bad eggs in the bunch that do shady stuff and screw their clients. But most are exceptional stewards of the land they manage. If they werent they couldnt bring in thousands per week per hunter year in and year out.

I was speaking simply to the valuation of the animal here in Ohio. The state sets that restitution value at $120 an inch for anything over 125 inches. $5 an inch is a hell of a bargain. If people don't want to pay a higher license and tag fee across the board to hunt trophy animals, then make it a per harvest price for individual trophy quality animals.

 

[Clay Showalter]

If your a resident in Ohio and land owner you do not need a license or tag to hunt your land

same is true for nonresident land owners

 

[Buckkillr]

same is true for nonresident land owners

In Ohio it is? Did they change it recently?

 

[Clay Showalter]

No idea how long it has been, but this was what I found a couple of years ago.

 

[Jackalope]

No idea how long it has been, but this was what I found a couple of years ago.


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Reciprocal agreement. A NR landowner can as long as their state of residence allows NR landowners to.

 

[Buckkillr]

No idea how long it has been, but this was what I found a couple of years ago.


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This is what I always thought, under resident

 

[Hortontoter]

I wouldn't either. If I'm going to own something and pay the taxes I'm going to own every damn bit of it. The other problem I saw was the sellers still acted like the property had the same value, to me it doesn't. That's like an owner select cut harvesting the property before putting it up for sale and still trying to charge the market rate. Piss off, you've stripped value. Severance is going to cause legal battles for generations to come in Ohio.

I see the property purchasing landscape in SE Ohio changing, at least in Carroll County. Many leases there have expired without the land being in a drilling unit. Thus the mineral rights dream has, at least for now, has ended for those properties. The owners should realize that these properties have lost some desirability. Even parcels that are in drilling units are making very little per month now. As an example, on my 10 acres, 4 acres was included in a drilling unit. The other 6 were not, but are locked in a lease due to me not having a Pugh clause in my lease, my bad, I know.

In October 2015 I was paid $2435.00 for my first months royalty. Almost very month thereafter the monthly royalty has dropped. Last months royalty was a whopping $297.00. And I did negotiate a 17.5% royalty. So, no the goose didn't lay us a golden egg. But, my small property purchase has been a great investment, not only in $$ though, it has extended my ability to hunt for a number of years.

 

[Chass]

Yeah not too many people put much into mineral rights anymore. Half the time the owner of the property doesnt know if they have them or if they dont who does and when they were severed. Lots of coal companies own mineral rights around here and probably dont know they own it. No one is buying just mineral rights anymore in the area which is really all you need to know. Last place I lived in athens had a gas well, we ran out of gas to heat with every winter. Upkeep on the well was costing about the same if we were to just purchase gas. Yeah it's nice to have mineral rights cause then your land is secure, but the chance someone is gonna come in and mess stuff up, slim to none. In our game your more like to buy some wetlands and the ODNR come in and mess you up. My neighbors property gets visited by the green Jean's at least once a week.

 

[Jackalope]

My statement was mostly regarding properties for sale where the owner wants to retain mineral rights, yet thinks he can still charge regular price. Or properties that have been severed trying to charge the same per acre as a property with them. Year's ago I can remember seeing properties where the owners wanted to retain mineral rights and then when pressed on the issue wanted another 50-100k to sell them with the property. Lunacy.

 

[Hortontoter]

50-100K could be reasonable depending on the amount of acres one is purchasing. I had a friend pass away in 2011. He had signed a 5 year lease in 2010 for less than $100 per acre on his 88 acres. His heirs couldn't wait to cash in on his property. The had it auctioned off by Kiko in the summer of 2012. It fetched just short of 650K with mineral rights. I thought the family was crazy to give up the minerals, but today I'm not so sure. As fast as these wells slow down their production they may have made the right decision. Of course Ohio takes the word of the O&G companies as to production amounts, which I believe are bogus.

 

[Jackalope]

50-100K could be reasonable depending on the amount of acres one is purchasing. I had a friend pass away in 2011. He had signed a 5 year lease in 2010 for less than $100 per acre on his 88 acres. His heirs couldn't wait to cash in on his property. The had it auctioned off by Kiko in the summer of 2012. It fetched just short of 650K with mineral rights. I thought the family was crazy to give up the minerals, but today I'm not so sure. As fast as these wells slow down their production they may have made the right decision. Of course Ohio takes the word of the O&G companies as to production amounts, which I believe are bogus.

In a hot oil and gas area with benifiting neighbors I could understand, most were just living on a hope and a prayer of "what if" as a reason to hold on to mineral rights.

 

[motorbreaker]

The only problem I have with the NR license fees is $76 to shoot a damn doe. I haven't killed one since it went up. And we have plenty. And it may be different in other areas but our area has went down hill since the EHD outbreak. I figured it would rebound by now but were not seeing nearly the quality bucks we use to. I haven't killed a good buck since 2012. This year on the 450 acres we hunt there was only one buck killed and it was only a 130" buck.
So from what i'm seeing there's no good reason to raise NR license anymore then there going to go up for 2020.