Before all the talk about poisoning or shooting or trapping these dogs, you should actually try a legal method like calling a local authority for assistance. There's no such thing as a bad dog....just bad owners.
Dealing with dogs - Advice?
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I agree. Good advice and thanks for the input guys. Love this forum because no one gets too worked up. Thanks for the input everyone. Will take the high road and legal road for sure.
Good deal man. I hope it works out for you. You never know with some government entities... Hopefully you get in touch with some folks who are worth a damn.
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So you've got a couple.of options.
1. The legal route that will undoubtedly lead to a lot of time and aggravation but keep you out of trouble. This will also cause issues with the neighbors and lead to long-standing issues. Especially because you don't live there. Your shit will start to come up missing, cabin broke in to, cams and stands stolen etc. They WILL make your life hell.
You can go the "illegal" route. Shoot the fucking things and keep your mouth shut. Don't leave, burry, or dispose of them in any manner on your property. Dont drive them somewhere and dump them off. Dead dogs bring a lot of media attention. Leave immediately and take them somewhere far away where you are SURE they will not be found.
Or a combo of the two. The legal route with a affirmative defense. "They were aggressive" they attacked my chicken that I just bought from TSC. Etc. This may work once but not more than that. And it will also piss off the neighbors. You are also legally allowed to snare yotes on your property. As far as I know you have no duty to find the owner and notify them if you accidentally snare one or six. Just make sure you follow all laws.
Whatever you decide I don't want to know, don't post it, and let me know before you do anything so I can delete this thread. I can't help you if the popos get involved, at that point I'm destroying evidence. Before that however its just just keeping the forum clean of an old thread.
1. The legal route that will undoubtedly lead to a lot of time and aggravation but keep you out of trouble. This will also cause issues with the neighbors and lead to long-standing issues. Especially because you don't live there. Your shit will start to come up missing, cabin broke in to, cams and stands stolen etc. They WILL make your life hell.
You can go the "illegal" route. Shoot the fucking things and keep your mouth shut. Don't leave, burry, or dispose of them in any manner on your property. Dont drive them somewhere and dump them off. Dead dogs bring a lot of media attention. Leave immediately and take them somewhere far away where you are SURE they will not be found.
Or a combo of the two. The legal route with a affirmative defense. "They were aggressive" they attacked my chicken that I just bought from TSC. Etc. This may work once but not more than that. And it will also piss off the neighbors. You are also legally allowed to snare yotes on your property. As far as I know you have no duty to find the owner and notify them if you accidentally snare one or six. Just make sure you follow all laws.
Whatever you decide I don't want to know, don't post it, and let me know before you do anything so I can delete this thread. I can't help you if the popos get involved, at that point I'm destroying evidence. Before that however its just just keeping the forum clean of an old thread.
No worries. Nothing illegal will occur. Mods can shut this down if they want but I think this is just an honest exchange of opinions. Hypothetical for everyone but me. No biggie.
You live two hours away, so checking your traps every 24 hours is probably out of the question. Killing the dogs is bullshit imo if they aren't being aggressive towards you or your family, it ain't their fault they are allowed to run loose. Call the authorities and go from there.
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Oh I don't have a problem at all with open discussion. I was just offering to remove the incrimination if you did decide to do something.
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I see what you're saying. But it's not a coyotes fault they run deer and eat fawns, or a raccoons fault they get in my trash, or a opossums fault they try living under my deck, even though it's none of those critters fault it won't stop me from killing them dead for it.
Worked my with a guy for years. His parents were having like problems as this. He was visiting them and walked over too the owners house and knocked on the door, told the fella that he needs too keep his dog on his own property. Said fella got a case of the ass with him and told him to get off his property. Next day he shot the dog, walked over and knocked on the door and dropped the dog on the porch. Was it the dogs fault? Nope, just a shitty dog owner who’s got it killed because he was a shitty dog owner.
30 years ago, you could get away with that with a slap on the wrist. Today people think of their pet as a family member and prosecute folks that do that with the ramifications of killing a human.... Goddards law is a perfect example of legislating with emotions....
30 years ago, you could get away with that with a slap on the wrist. Today people think of their pet as a family member and prosecute folks that do that with the ramifications of killing a human.... Goddards law is a perfect example of legislating with emotions....
Hortontoter
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IMO Goddard's Law is right up there with breaking laws such as spitting in public. I can not, will not, or ever will place a pets life or rights on an equal plane as those of a human. I don't believe pets are part of the family either. I know most will disagree with me. In my mind a dog, cat, bird or goldfish is no different than a cow, pig or chicken. And most of us have one or these in a meal weekly.
Goddard was a great weatherman, but he should have kept his animal thoughts to himself.
Goddard was a great weatherman, but he should have kept his animal thoughts to himself.
There’s a disparity between the ORC and Goddards law, the ORC shows pets as property (which is the correct interpretation imho) where as Goddards law puts it as almost an even keel as a human. Which some folks see as being correct, but they’re using emotions vs their heads....
cspot
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Biggest issue if you shoot them is you are guilty until proven innocent
I understand what the law says, but if you do it then you are pretty much guilty unless you are proved innocent. Hate to say it but it is just the way it is.
The owner will come up with witnesses to say that the dog never hurt anyone and he must have just slipped the collar that day.
Personally it will be a pain, but I would go the legal route. Start taking pictures every time they are on your property. Keep documentation of date and time. Any property damage take pics. Talk to animal control and local LE.
I understand what the law says, but if you do it then you are pretty much guilty unless you are proved innocent. Hate to say it but it is just the way it is.
The owner will come up with witnesses to say that the dog never hurt anyone and he must have just slipped the collar that day.
Personally it will be a pain, but I would go the legal route. Start taking pictures every time they are on your property. Keep documentation of date and time. Any property damage take pics. Talk to animal control and local LE.
Joel
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Coyote does it to survive, dog does it for the chase. He has a bowl of food at the house.
I rarely see coyotes during legal hunting hours. I see these fellas more days than not.
Thank you Mr. Obvious. Does a deer see a dog vs. coyote as a lesser threat or equal threat?
I can’t speak for the deer, maybe ask a liberal?
I thought you were asking IMO, not the deers.Seriously, I’m sure the deer can see a difference some how. My dogs can be barking at them 30 yards away and it doesn’t effect them. Where a coyote Yelp will empty a field from hundred of yards away. Also, every time I’ve seen deer run from dogs, they never seemed to be doing more then just moving. Not running for their life, more of a move along kind of thing.