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Bigslam51

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Stark County
I agree... People don't even want to share trail cam pics anymore. All about "me" and "my bucks".
I'm one of those guys that only shares pics with a select few. I've only been running cameras for 5 years and unfortunately it didn't take me long to realize people will fugg you over quick. I also hate it when people call them "their deer", motherfugger it ain't yours til it's got your tag on it! I just wish deer season was like it was when I was 12.
 

Clay Showalter

Southern member northern landowner
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Guilford County



 

Jal5

Junior Member
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Want to increase your deer heard, Only we as hunters can do that, Not the state.
The way i see it, this is just my observation in the last 4 years.
I got 80 acres, the first year i saw about 3/4 mature does and a few bucks, now after 4 years we see on camera in excess of 20 or more different deer. this track used to get hammered hard.
Now here is what i see.
One mature doe on the property(3.5 yrs old).
1doe killed 0 population.
First year,
1 doe walks = 2 fawns=3 deer.
second year 0 kills, doe has 2 more fawns=5 deer.
third year same doe has twins again,=7 deer.
fourth year, 2 more= 9 deer.
fifth year 2 more =11 deer.
now go back and take 50% of fawns over 5 years were does.
second yr olds has 1 each, then after 3.5 yrs old start having twins. now you start multiplying your heard.
So in 5 years you have.somewhere in the neighborhood of 15/20 deer.
This is if that 1 doe has survived all these years,
Now do the math as if i let 5 mature does live on the property that i hunt.
That will go into 75/100 deer.
So i guess what i,m saying if we as hunters want to see bigger heard size, we can;t kill the baby makers.
If i kill the does on my property, then complain about not having any deer on that said property, would i not be part of the problem or solution.
That's just my opinion.

I believe you are correct. The state issued us so many doe tags over the past 10 yrs to satisfy the farming and auto insurance demands. We were the tool to decrease the herd. Simple as that. Now we see way fewer deer and there are fewer gun hunters. But bow hunting is up.
 

Schu72

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Streetsboro
I have one fawn on camera at my Mom's...one. That isn't the result of overharvest. There is an evil in them hills......
 

bowhunter1023

Owner/Operator
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Appalachia
No one is forcing people to come here and hunt. Hopefully less do, and hopefully less residents hunt. There's not enough resource to supply the demand, so my hope is the demand will go away.
 

brock ratcliff

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No one is forcing people to come here and hunt. Hopefully less do, and hopefully less residents hunt. There's not enough resource to supply the demand, so my hope is the demand will go away.

This is exactly what Tonk is banking on, or at least was. When the prey is gone, the predators disappear. This is why he was not concerned about over harvest.
 

bowhunter1023

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Appalachia
This is exactly what Tonk is banking on, or at least was. When the prey is gone, the predators disappear. This is why he was not concerned about over harvest.
So the revenue stream from sportsmen is not important or do they have plans to pick our pockets elsewhere? When the product loses value, it's hard to raise the price...
 

antiqucycle

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East Ohio
Its gross mismanagement by the ODNR. NON resident licenses are way too cheap, Non Residents flashing benjamins in farmer's faces have eliminated Ohio residents from hunting thousands of properties.
The filthy rich "foreigners" have not invaded Ohio looking for doe meat! " They want fame and fortune and their picture plastered on North American Whitetail.

I am sick and tired of loosing places I hunted for 20+ years. The ODNR has to crack down oin the poaching on lease properties. Yes people lease land to conceal poaching.
 

Jackalope

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So the revenue stream from sportsmen is not important or do they have plans to pick our pockets elsewhere? When the product loses value, it's hard to raise the price...

I go fishing maybe once a year. Still buy a fishing license. Hunting is much the same. A hardcore bow hunter who used to hunt 300 hours before gun season now only hunts gun season. To the ODNR he still bought a license and tag. To make up for the the ones that actually quit they will raise the license and tag cost. They'll continue marketing across America the 200 inch deer shot in Columbus in hopes to attract non residents. For every 5 residents that quit hunting they only need 1 nonresident to buy a license to make up for that lost revenue. Look for public land permits in the future too. Tonk tried to tell us that was coming, the hang up was the parks want the money instead of the DNR getting it. I'm sure they'll come to an agreement sooner or later.
 

giles

Cull buck specialist
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Its gross mismanagement by the ODNR. NON resident licenses are way too cheap, Non Residents flashing benjamins in farmer's faces have eliminated Ohio residents from hunting thousands of properties.
The filthy rich "foreigners" have not invaded Ohio looking for doe meat! " They want fame and fortune and their picture plastered on North American Whitetail.

I am sick and tired of loosing places I hunted for 20+ years. The ODNR has to crack down oin the poaching on lease properties. Yes people lease land to conceal poaching.

Why would a poacher pay....poachers aunt the paying type. I will agree with the other things you said, but that makes no sense.
 

brock ratcliff

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As you know I screamed as loud as anyone about the herd reduction. However, this week should not be enough to form anyone s opinion. I saw quite a good number of deer through all of archery season in three counties. I haven't been able to get into them at all this week. I've seen a total of five. Basing an opinion on one weeks results would be foolish. I'm certain there are fewer deer than there was, obviously. I'm also certain that in a month or so I'll have another deer around that I'm excited to hunt.