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No Till Food Plots - So Easy

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This is a brief blog I wrote on a review of one of my favorite books. If you don't want to read this, that is fine. Just go look up "A Soil Owners Manual", possibly my favorite book on soil functionality to date.

Thank you all for following along on this never-ending journey to keep learning....

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You should also link this thread to those blogs. Kinds like you did the book. Lots of good rabbit holes in this one spot.

Yes, sir - funny you said that! I actually asked @bowhunter1023 yesterday if he cared if I shared this thread in a few places, he was nice enough to allow me to share it and I posted it up! It was great, cause I actually got a response from a gentleman who was following this thread already but doesn't post too often!! What a cool and small world!
 

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It was cool seeing his comment on FB last night. Early analytics of the podcast suggests at least one listener that doesn't post here for every one listener that does post here. We've always suspected it was a pretty equal ratio of everyday readers that post and those who read every day and don't post. So the information we share here is definitely being viewed by a lot of folks!
 
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It was cool seeing his comment on FB last night. Early analytics of the podcast suggests at least one listener that doesn't post here for every one listener that does post here. We've always suspected it was a pretty equal ratio of everyday readers that post and those who read every day and don't post. So the information we share here is definitely being view by a lot of folks!

That is amazing!! Now the pressure is really on!! HAHA
 

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Yes, sir - funny you said that! I actually asked @bowhunter1023 yesterday if he cared if I shared this thread in a few places, he was nice enough to allow me to share it and I posted it up! It was great, cause I actually got a response from a gentleman who was following this thread already but doesn't post too often!! What a cool and small world!
I just so happen to be that gentleman that you speak of...lol
 

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You got this. Your love for this subject is really making it easy for the rest of us to get a better understanding. Thank you

Thank you, Dave! As I always say, I am no expert.

I am just a simple dude who loves the soil and relies on the experts to teach me more about it. My goal is to continue to document my own anecdotal experiments, and share/summarize expert's research and opinions on various topics, involving soil - to hopefully make it easier to understand and digest for followers of this thread, who don't want to read a 500-page book - for example.

I suspect this will be a long, fun, winding journey!! So much to learn and I enjoy all the comments/feedback tremendously.
 

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Thank you, Dave! As I always say, I am no expert.

I am just a simple dude who loves the soil and relies on the experts to teach me more about it. My goal is to continue to document my own anecdotal experiments, and share/summarize expert's research and opinions on various topics, involving soil - to hopefully make it easier to understand and digest for followers of this thread, who don't want to read a 500-page book - for example.

I suspect this will be a long, fun, winding journey!! So much to learn and I enjoy all the comments/feedback tremendously.
I am that guy that won't read a book. 5 pages is more than enough for me. 5 paragraphs is about perfect and the extent of my processing information. You are killing it for a guy like myself!
 

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Hell yea brother!! Thank you so much again for the great comments and for following along. I am FAR from an expert but I enjoy sharing information I have garned. Your comments made my freaking day yesterday!
I have genuinely enjoyed reading your posts as I am working towards improving my soil. Started last year turning approximately an acre of mature timber into a productive food plot. I am still waiting on my GreenCover Soil Health Resource Guide. So in the meantime, have any other good books to suggest?
 

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I have genuinely enjoyed reading your posts as I am working towards improving my soil. Started last year turning approximately an acre of mature timber into a productive food plot. I am still waiting on my GreenCover Soil Health Resource Guide. So in the meantime, have any other good books to suggest?

So this was from way earlier in the thread so I probably need to update this, but this is a good start of stuff I have read. There is a LOT out there so my library of information is not even close to a fair representation of even a sample size of the data. However, it is a start.

Over the years - here are few resources I have used to learn, the little bit I do know.
1. Dr. Grant Woods - Growing Deer TV - This is a variety show - Dr. Grant talks about the "buffalo system". If you want to learn a very high-level idea/understanding of how the rotational aspect of no-till plotting works - check out Dr. Grant. Youtube - buffalo system seminar.
2. A soil owner's manual - Jon Stika - read this book! It is super easy to read, talks about the symbiotic relationship between plants and soil - mycorrhizae!!
3. Dirt to Soil - book - Gabe Brown - a fantastic story about a farmer in SD who has changed the way many farmers farm anymore! He has rebuilt his soil through regen ag practices.
4. Ray Archuleta - Soil Scientist for the USDA. He has worked with Gabe Brown, David Brandt (Ohio farmer), and others - youtube him, his seminars are fantastic. He does some experiments where he shows how no-till soils react to hard rain falls, vs. tilled soils - fascinating.
5. Jason Snavely - Went to Mississippi U as a biologist, owners of the seed company, has a few seminars/podcast that is worth a listen
6. The Soil Will Save Us - not as detailed as other books but worth a read, different take - always good to hear varying opinions.

Honestly, Google is an amazing tool as well. Sometimes I will just type in - root structure of RYE GRAIN, to get a better understanding of not only the above-ground biomass but as well as the below bio-mass produced, how that might impact the soil, and then also the attractiveness to whitetails.

If you scroll back through this thread I have put specific links to videos/podcasts I have liked, specific to these above topics. I believe Jason Snavely was also on the Wired to Hunt podcast, as was Dr. Grant Woods - I haven't linked those but the information is similar.

Thank you all - I wish I could share via text how great these comments truly make me feel. I sincerely appreciate the continued engagement and dialog.
 

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So I have been very curious if I can find any data on deer bone/skeleton densities and the correlation to antler growth, relative to the diet they are eating or assumed diet based on the region the study was performed - so far no luck! However, I know there is information about how deer store minerals in their skeletal system, and that aids antler growth in the future. I will continue to search for a more clear study, but the below article is thought-provoking, in my opinion, and made me want to share some of my thoughts.

I have often read that the argument against mineral licks from an antler growth impact percentage is twofold - ps. I use mineral licks, this isn't to create a debate just a thought.

1. Deer stores minerals in their skeletal structure, so giving deer minerals in the Spring, would not be helping them with that current rack development, but could possibly help the following year - endless variables with that thought (survival, winter stress, etc).

2. Deer, more specifically bucks, don't spend enough time-consuming mineral licks to make a positive impact on their racks/skeletal storage capabilities. This is similar to the supplemental feeding constraints on positively impacting a deer herd - the old saying "you can lead a horse to water but can't make him drink" comes to mind.

So I share my ramblings above so I can expound on my theory of how increasing our soil organic matter, and mycorrhizal activity in the soil -will increase the nutrient density of our plants, planted in such an environment by a "no-till" process, furthermore - how that may be impacting our whitetail herd far greater than we have previously thought.

These plants are LOADED with vitamins and micro/macro minerals, that will feed the deer not only when they crave minerals but also the remainder of the year, through the whitetail's natural ruminant demands and cravings. This will inadvertently, positively impact the whitetail's mineral intake (as well as protein and other benefits to the system), without them ever going to a man-made mineral lick. Deer will naturally eat more or less of a food plot depending on the stressors in their environment, and by having the highest nutrient densities available, we continue to take utmost advantage of every bite.

So my hypotheses - by "no-tilling" and increasing the mycorrhizal activity and OM in the soil, are we increasing the whitetails mineral uptake as well and storage abilities in their bones, which positively impact them not only from a weight gain and survivability standpoint but also from an overall uptake of additional trace minerals working from the lowest common denominator and upward - impacting deer eating that diet type today, and epigenetically, in the future.

Food for thought! Thank you all for following along!

Here is a great write up I read on lunch today from the University of Missouri "nutritional requirements of whitetail deer"

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I like it. I do minerals but not for the rack growing thinking. I think it helps the does during pregnancy and milking.

So with your way of thinking, I am helping those fawns start life with a better bone structure. So is everyone else dumping minerals.
 

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I like it. I do minerals but not for the rack growing thinking. I think it helps the does during pregnancy and milking.

So with your way of thinking, I am helping those fawns start life with a better bone structure. So is everyone else dumping minerals.

I absolutely love putting minerals out. From a scientific perspective, it is a very hard one to show a positive correlation but I enjoy it immensely and as long as it is legal, I will continue to do so, it makes some fantastic camera locations as well! Who doesn't love big velvet bucks?!?

I think that the question of how it impacts whitetails is more related to the digestibility of the minerals, and in which form is this most efficient. Ph.D. Marcus Lashley did a study on "mineral stumps" in this study he found that the nutritional/mineral concentrations in the regrowth of a tree after it is cut were tremendously high.

The basic theory behind this - for example, you take an 80ft tall red-maple tree and have its root system representative of what it takes to grow the said tree. Now, you fell that tree over. That root system is still intact, and the response mechanism is to grow as fast as possible, to get back to the previous holding place in the canopy. This results in an ton of energy (nutrient load), into new growth coming out of that stump - which in turn - results in highly digestible forage for whitetail deer. What is more interesting in the below summary of this study is not just the nutrient levels recorded but also the mineral load - in an extremely well-known, highly digestible format for a whitetail deer be it a leaf or woody browse from the new growth.

All that to say, that is why I believe there will be a positive correlation found between OM increases, mycorrhizal activity, carbon respiration, increased micro-nutrients in plants, and various other quantifiable and measurable metrics that show increased soil microbial activity and healthier soils to large deer antlers but more importantly overall healthier deer. Possibly even from a disease resistance perspective, from having a better diet.

I believe the increase in soil health and microbiology would show higher nutrient densities and mineral densities in the crops grown -through leaf tissue sampling confirmation. This could then lead to definitive or assumed benefits to the whitetail deer based on the depth and length of the study performed (costs money to perform these studies - this can be a barrier to results).

There would most likely be some extrapolation that would need to be done and assumptions made but I feel confident it would be thought-provoking results, at the very minimum.

At least I hope the folks who are far smarter than I, can find this correlation sometime in my lifetime, I would love to see that study - even if I am wrong.

Thank you for following along on this crazy ride yall!

AT-

Here is the link to the Ph.D. Marcus Lashley - amazing deer researcher.

 
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This morning I caught up on some Growing Deer. tv episode while I did cardio (the best way I can focus, lol). This is huge news to see the "deer world" and one of the largest farming co-ops coming together - with the common goal of increasing soil health. Can you imagine this happening even just 5 years ago? I know I cannot.

The fact that a well-known Ph.D. deer biologist, is talking about regen ag. and is sourcing seed directly from a mill, and working with full-time regen farmers who own the mill and can share/learn best practices they use for both soil health and how the relates to better deer health, is inspiring.

See link below. Happy Friday!

 
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This is a great blog by Ph.D. Christine Jones! Are we doing more harm than good with over-reliance on fertilization? Could it actually be lowering our nutrient densities? I am not an expert but an interesting blog and data points from one.

A few excerpts:

" Between 10 and 40% of the applied N is taken up by plants while the other 60-90% is leached into the water, volatilized into the air or immobilized in soil."

"Higher micronutrient densities in plants also translate to the improved nutritional value of food. However, if nitrogen is supplied in an inorganic (fertilizer) form, it will short-circuit the liquid carbon pathway. As a result, plant mineral densities fall and immune function is reduced."

"Although mycorrhizal fungi do not fix nitrogen, they play a vital role in the nitrogen nutrition of plants by transferring energy, in the form of liquid carbon (also called photosynthate), to associative and free-living nitrogen-fixing bacteria. The acquisition and transfer of both organic carbon and organic nitrogen via mycorrhizal pathways are highly energy-efficient, closing the nitrogen loop, reducing nitrification, denitrification, volatilization, and leaching."


Thank you all for following along.

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