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Possible pipeline through our land

bowhunter1023

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Not sure what your plan is or how close you are to your attorney, but I would hold off on hiring one until you see how serious this project gets. No sense in shelling out money if this thing never comes to fruition. Unless of course you can afford $200+ an hour for an attorney to tell you the same thing I just did. There is nothing they can do for you until you have a contract/offer in your hand but tell you to wait for such. Also if it is eminent domain and they want to go there badly enough, you're going to pay an attorney all the money you make from the RW, so that will sour the deal even more IMO.

Good luck and I hope it all works out. It is easier to avoid 6 acres than it is 60, so you might be alright.
 
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bowhunter1023 said:
Not sure what your plan is or how close you are to your attorney, but I would hold off on hiring one until you see how serious this project gets. No sense in shelling out money if this thing never comes to fruition. Unless of course you can afford $200+ an hour for an attorney to tell you the same thing I just did. There is nothing they can do for you until you have a contract/offer in your hand but tell you to wait for such. Also if it is eminent domain and they want to go there badly enough, you're going to pay an attorney all the money you make from the RW, so that will sour the deal even more IMO.

Good luck and I hope it all works out. It is easier to avoid 6 acres than it is 60, so you might be alright.
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From my past experiences with 2 pipeline easements and a 3rd going on now I agree with you 100%.
 
Mike

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bowhunter1023 said:
Good luck and I hope it all works out. It is easier to avoid 6 acres than it is 60, so you might be alright.
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This is what would have me fighting it. If they wanted to go right through my little 5 acres, it would totally ruin it.
 
Ohiosam

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Lots of people negotiating things like right of ways focus too much on the money. Not that the $$ ain't important but that right of way is there forever so worry marry about future potential problems like damage, maintenance access etc. also make sure you know if they can run more then one pipeline (or any other utility)through the right of way and if they do that you get properly compensated.

As far as a lawyer, do your own negotiating but have a lawyer review the contract before you sign. Should be able to have a competent lawyer review it for a couple hundred bucks.
 
Bigslam51

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Ohiosam said:
Lots of people negotiating things like right of ways focus too much on the money. Not that the $$ ain't important but that right of way is there forever so worry marry about future potential problems like damage, maintenance access etc. also make sure you know if they can run more then one pipeline (or any other utility)through the right of way and if they do that you get properly compensated.

As far as a lawyer, do your own negotiating but have a lawyer review the contract before you sign. Should be able to have a competent lawyer review it for a couple hundred bucks.
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I am worried more about future problems, like the house we intend too build on it in a couple years. I'm not living right next to that shit.
 
bowhunter1023

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IF they build it and IF they do avoid your land, you'll still live near it because you don't just bob & weave a 42" pipeline. Just something to consider.
 
Joel

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I don't blame you at all. If it were me I would not want that thing running through my 6 or 7 acres even if they were giving me a nice check. Unless it's enough payment to buy a new piece of land for your house, it just wouldn't be worth it too me.
 
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bowhunter1023 said:
Food for thought, the going rate is $1 per 1" of pipe. So at $42 per foot, it can add up quickly depending on the footage.
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Gee no wonder they complained on my last contract. But they are destroying the value on my building lot.
 
Jackalope

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You mentioned that you wanted to put a house on the property in 2016. If you're sure you don't want this line and want to hamper eminent domain, call the PUCO and find out what the minimum distance from a dwelling they're allowed to put a line. See if you can choose a building site that will fall within that and start building early. They far more likely to eminent domain an empty area than one with a dwelling.
 
Jackalope

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bowhunter1023 said:
Huck can correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe there is a minimum distance in this case.
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Yeah he texted me earlier. There's not. Who would have guessed that Ohio's lacking in gas regulation. Lol. I went to look and saw where PA was 1000 feet from any occupied dwelling.
 
Huckleberry Finn

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That's bullshit
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Until you consider that there are 56,000 miles of natural gas distribution pipelines in Ohio, largely that all terminates into homes and businesses. In fact, given the definition of 'distribution', probably nearly all 56,000 miles are within 1,000 feet of a dwelling. (The only different between a distribution line blowing up and a transmission line blowing up is how much of a body they can find.)

There are pipelines everywhere. Ohio State's campus? 20 inch line. Dayton Airport, under the runways? 12 inch line. Hell, the main arterial street where Huntn2 lives has a 30 inch line (1,170 feet from his back yard, and I've drank beer many times there and never gotten hurt). The fact of the matter is that natural gas is vital to keeping the lights on and businesses moving, so the pipelines have to go somewhere. Folks want natural gas service because it's cheap, clean energy - and it's about to be the only thing that we can use to make electricity.

You'll be just fine. Just take a deep breath, take a step off the NIMBY bus, do some reading, and be prepared if thing every moves into fruition. But again, it more than likely won't. There are dozens of pipelines proposed out of the Utica /Marcellus and they all will not be built. They will turn around pipelines before that happens. The drilling companies are doing a fine job of walking the line of profitability so that the plays do not burst.
 
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