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"The Social Dilemma"

Jackalope

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Watched this last night, pretty eye opening. My wife and I were watching and I told her this is why I’ve never had social media. She rebutted with, “The Ohio Outdoors is social media”. I spent the next 10 minutes explaining the difference between TOO and Facebook.

Yep. TOO is a social club, not social media. Unlike media TOO is not in the business of gathering massive amounts of personal data to include phone, text, or other browsing history in an effort to sell that data to massive marketing firms. TOO doesn't set about to manipulate what you're shown to alter your perspective of reality. We don't have a massive supercomputer that psychoanalyses you based on what you click and how long you look at it. 😉
 

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Honestly, I've been thinking about these things lately, the other day I asked myself "what if they just shut down Facebook and the like?"

First thing that popped up on my phone this morning was Google telling me about my privacy options. Personally, I'm more worried about the data mining Google is doing on me. On a larger scale, the influence on society and politics by FB and Twitter is a bigger concern.

Getting rid of Facebook and the others would be no problem at all. Getting rid of gmail would be a little painful.

That Tristan dude is my new hero. All those industry insiders who spoke up have my respect. This thing should be shown on all the major networks, should be shouted from the rooftops, should inspire a real national debate. And even though I hate saying it, there should be regulation put in place for the safety and welfare of our society.

I will certainly be letting everyone in my circle know about this documentary.
 
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Haven't watched this yet, but I will.

@Jackalope just curious on your opinion on this because you know and deal with this way more than I could ever imagine doing so. But at what point in time do you see A.I. becoming a REAL problem if its not ready. I mean when do you see A.I. making it into us instead of just on us? In my opinion this is the next step.
 

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Honestly, I've been thinking about these things lately, the other day I asked myself "what if they just shut down Facebook and the like?"

First thing that popped up on my phone this morning was Google telling me about my privacy options. Personally, I'm more worried about the data mining Google is doing on me. On a larger scale, the influence on society and politics by FB and Twitter is a bigger concern.

Getting rid of Facebook and the others would be no problem at all. Getting rid of gmail would be a little painful.

That Tristan dude is my new hero. All those industry insiders who spoke up have my respect. This thing should be shown on all the major networks, should be shouted from the rooftops, should inspire a real national debate. And even though I hate saying it, there should be regulation put in place for the safety and welfare of our society.

I will certainly be letting everyone in my circle know about this documentary.

I should have said that "FOR ME, Getting rid of Facebook and the others would be no problem at all. Getting rid of gmail would be a little painful."
But the rest of society would have a meltdown.
And truth be told, the benefits such as learning and sharing and reconnecting with family/friends like it was intended are there and cool, it's just the twisted, unintended consequences of the social media that need to be managed. But alas, I don't see it happening. We're too far into it. And we're the land of free speech - we're not China. China pulls the plug when it wants.

And the line that keeps going thru my head all this year as we deal with Covid and BLM and election politics is "And as the flames climbed high into the night to light the sacrificial rite, I saw Satan laughing with delight........"
 

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I'm not on Facebook, twitter or any other bullshit sites.....And never will be..... This is the only site I'm on, only because there's a bunch of likeable guys on here that share the desire to be in the outdoors.... Also some good food recipes to try along with some beverage recommendations.... But I'm sure Big Brother checks in here daily to see what they can find.... If it weren't for the camera on a smart phone, I'd go back to a flip phone....Good enough for me....
 

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Haven't watched this yet, but I will.

@Jackalope just curious on your opinion on this because you know and deal with this way more than I could ever imagine doing so. But at what point in time do you see A.I. becoming a REAL problem if its not ready. I mean when do you see A.I. making it into us instead of just on us? In my opinion this is the next step.


They talk about AI some in the documentary. The basic point was we're worried about AI taking over, but the reality is these algorythms that Google and Facebook write is basically AI. It searches and finds it's own information and then applies an action based on the algorythm. The developers and companies have no idea what they outcome will be. They can give the algorythm a subset of data and it's anyone guess what the output will be, all they care about is it generates revinue in the way of ad marketing. As for it becoming an imbedded technology, I see it happening within the next 20 years, it'll first be tested and marketed for medical applications, refined, and then opened to the public and marketed as a convienece factor.
 

Jackalope

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But I'm sure Big Brother checks in here daily to see what they can find..

Google crawls the site daily to look for new topics and posts for the search engine. They can only see what an unregistered guest can see. We don't share any information with Google at the user level.

From a data perspective, it's pretty inefficient to send technology to scan random websites then try to tie that back to a person when google can just monitor everything you do, say, and type right on your phone.
 

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They talk about AI some in the documentary. The basic point was we're worried about AI taking over, but the reality is these algorythms that Google and Facebook write is basically AI. It searches and finds it's own information and then applies an action based on the algorythm. The developers and companies have no idea what they outcome will be. They can give the algorythm a subset of data and it's anyone guess what the output will be, all they care about is it generates revinue in the way of ad marketing. As for it becoming an imbedded technology, I see it happening within the next 20 years, it'll first be tested and marketed for medical applications, refined, and then opened to the public and marketed as a convienece factor.
Do thought get ads for Pornhub and treestands simultaneously?
 
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Honestly, I've been thinking about these things lately, the other day I asked myself "what if they just shut down Facebook and the like?"

First thing that popped up on my phone this morning was Google telling me about my privacy options. Personally, I'm more worried about the data mining Google is doing on me. On a larger scale, the influence on society and politics by FB and Twitter is a bigger concern.

Getting rid of Facebook and the others would be no problem at all. Getting rid of gmail would be a little painful.

That Tristan dude is my new hero. All those industry insiders who spoke up have my respect. This thing should be shown on all the major networks, should be shouted from the rooftops, should inspire a real national debate. And even though I hate saying it, there should be regulation put in place for the safety and welfare of our society.

I will certainly be letting everyone in my circle know about this documentary.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but wouldn’t the “Networks” be a milder version of what social media are currently doing?
 

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Correct me if I’m wrong, but wouldn’t the “Networks” be a milder version of what social media are currently doing?
Most all of us carry a device where as they can track our every move - unless you disable the tracking stuff in your phone
 
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Wildlife

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I'm definitely back to old school. My cell stays off every night and during the day I turn it back on, but it stays put in my workshop even if I leave home to run errands. No need to be caught up in this CV tracing BS. If I do take it with me, I pull the battery out of it and only put it back in when I must have the need to use it. People that need to get a hold of me can leave a voicemail message. In fact, I'm considering in purchasing a second cellphone such as a prepaid 'Trac' phone going forward because of this whole CV thing, you know, like all the drug dealers do :LOL:
 
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Jackalope

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Doesn't matter, you can have all those things turned off, no SIM card, phone not even hooked to a provider and the thing still knows your every move.

Yep. Saves it all in logs and as soon as it connects to wifi it transmits it. Even if you disable consumer GPS (You can't disable "emergency" GPS) the phone still logs proximity to known wifi hotspots. Not as detailed but location data none the less. Some stores also track your phone while in the store to determine customer movement patterns. You don't even have to connect to their wifi. They simply have sensors throughout the store that picks up your phones wireless search signal. They do this so that they can place products in specific high traffic areas. Or if they see certain areas are being skipped they can relocate higher demand products closer to that area.
 

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So let's say when your kid turns 13 you are expected (by today's standard) to hand your kid a thousand dollar device with a monthy contract. And somehow we want to blame the man? I failed in this area as a parent. Shoukdve went full Amish

That's the other dimension of manipulation. If you do that then you are the asshole. By not being honest about their manipulative business practices they're causing society to think that it's nothing more than a harmless social platform. As as long as the majority of people are ignorant to that manipulation then crowd mentality sees no harm in it. Therefore if you as a parent in the minority put your foot down, you are the asshole. The presentation of the business model puts your kids against you and makes it easier to just give in then be the bad guy.
 
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That's the other dimension of manipulation. If you do that then you are the asshole. By not being honest about their manipulative business practices they're causing society to think that it's nothing more than a harmless social platform. As as long as the majority of people are ignorant to that manipulation then crowd mentality sees no harm in it. Therefore if you as a parent in the minority put your foot down, you are the asshole. The presentation of the business model puts your kids against you and makes it easier to just give in then be the bad guy.
Dave? An asshole? No way
 

Wildlife

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If you are interested in some more internet privacy and without being bothered with ads while browsing the internet, then may I suggest using some sort of a VPN service plus DuckDuckGo.com as your search engine along with setting up an email account with protonmail.com and Signal for any kind of texting. Go check into them. I've been using them for years. I use gmail for my work only and had that account ever since Google launched over twenty years ago and that's it. I have no other social media accounts other than right here with 'TOO' and I do have an YouTube account to share my 'WildlifeOhio' videos.