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hickslawns

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I'm not arguing the necessity to stay home or social distance. Princess Cruise ship is sort of a baseline. BUT, the majority of the people were in the age category of most likely to die or be in ICU. If those numbers on cruise ship are for people 50 and up (likely 60 and up being a large percentage of passengers) what would the cruise ship results be if it had an even mix of ages? Our ICU and death totals would be significantly lower. Now project those numbers out statewide. Suddenly our survival rates are much higher.
 

Jackalope

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I'm not arguing the necessity to stay home or social distance. Princess Cruise ship is sort of a baseline. BUT, the majority of the people were in the age category of most likely to die or be in ICU. If those numbers on cruise ship are for people 50 and up (likely 60 and up being a large percentage of passengers) what would the cruise ship results be if it had an even mix of ages? Our ICU and death totals would be significantly lower. Now project those numbers out statewide. Suddenly our survival rates are much higher.

The median age was 54. Ohio's median age is 38. So not many kids on the ship, but not many old people either. Even if we were able to half the princess cruise ship fatality rate down to 1% that's still a ton of deaths and 22 times our available bed capacity. It's a big shit sandwich no matter how we love the numbers unfortunately.
 

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Bowkills

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I think most people won't go to the doctor until it's oh fuck I can't beat that on my own. That 20 percent on the ship needs medical care could be off since they were locked with medical staff monitoring.....just saying 1 out of 5 people with the virus needs medical care is a huge number.
 

Jackalope

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I think most people won't go to the doctor until it's oh fuck I can't beat that on my own. That 20 percent on the ship needs medical care could be off since they were locked with medical staff monitoring.....just saying 1 out of 5 people with the virus needs medical care is a huge number.

It is a huge number and why they're worried about hospitals being overrun. That's what makes this so dangerous. Similar numbers are being seen in Italy, Germany and other places. It's 20% across the average age groups. For those over 80 it's more like 55%. People in their 20s it's more like 6%.
 
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teenbowhunter

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My cousin runs an ER in New York. While taking care of covid patients he had 7 gang members come in with gun shot wounds all at once. Taking CAT scans of their stomach and chest he could see all of the signs of covid on their lungs but none of them knew they were sick. And somehow none of the seven required surgery and all bullets missed anything important, dirt don’t die lol
 

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Since the first genome of the coronavirus was sequenced in January, researchers around the world have sequenced over 3,000 more, some of which are genetically identical…
New research indicates that the coronavirus began to circulate in the New York area by mid-February, weeks before the first confirmed case, and that travelers brought in the virus mainly from Europe, not Asia.

“The majority is clearly European,” said Harm van Bakel, a geneticist at Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai, who co-wrote a study awaiting peer review.

Bing COVID-19 tracker: Latest numbers by country and state

A separate team at N.Y.U. Grossman School of Medicine came to strikingly similar conclusions, despite studying a different group of cases. Both teams analyzed genomes from coronaviruses taken from New Yorkers starting in mid-March.
 

Jackalope

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I need to update the earlier data that I posted that contained an error. I realized it after running the princess cruise data that I must have had a calculation earlier that didn't jive. I missed a decimal point when converting percentages to decimal. This is the correct calculations for expected Ohio deaths based on current Ohio case statistics.

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good news

Gov. Jay Inslee's office on Wednesday announced that the state will be returning a field hospital deployed to CenturyLink Field Event Center to the U.S. Department of Defense.
The 250-bed facility, for which setup began on March 30, was intended to help Washington state's health care system tend to non Covid-19 patients in the event of a hospital surge.
But just three days after announcing the facility was ready to receive patients, officials say they're returning the hospital to the federal government.
The action is aimed at helping another state with a more significant need for hospital capacity at this time, according to the Governor's Office. The facility did not see any patients during the time it was slated to operate in Seattle.
"We requested this resource before our physical distancing strategies were fully implemented and we had considerable concerns that our hospitals would be overloaded with Covid-19 cases," Inslee said in a press release.
"But we haven’t beat this virus yet, and until we do, it has the potential to spread rapidly if we don’t continue the measures we’ve put in place."
Photos: The military field hospital at CenturyLink is ready to receive patients
State officials also say they've recently procured 1,000 hospital beds and over 900 ventilators to assist hospitals responding to the Covid-19 emergency.
Additionally, the state is leasing the former Astria Regional Medical Center in Yakima to serve as a 250-bed field hospital if a need arises in Central Washington.


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The White House Wanted To Give $0 To Tribes In The $2 Trillion Stimulus Bill
Senate Republicans also worked to scale back direct relief for Native Americans.
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Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin, left, and White House chief of staff Mark Meadows step out of a meeting as the Senate negotiated a coronavirus relief bill in March.
WASHINGTON ― In the end, tribes got about $10 billion in the emergency $2 trillion stimulus bill that President Donald Trump signed into law last Friday.

But if the White House had its way, tribes wouldn’t have gotten a penny in direct relief, according to three Senate Democratic aides familiar with negotiations on the bill. And if Senate Republicans had their way, tribes would have gotten way less than they got.

The National Congress of American Indians, the largest organization representing the interests of tribal governments and communities, told Congress in mid-March that the nation’s 574 tribes would need at least $20 billion in direct federal relief to stem job losses and economic instability caused by the coronavirus pandemic. When the Senate and White House began talks on the stimulus, Democrats pushed for creating a $200 billion stabilization fund to provide direct aid to local and state governments. Of that $200 billion, $20 billion should go to tribal governments, they proposed.

The White House said no to both ― the fund itself, and tribes getting any direct relief.

When Democrats held their ground, the White House relented and agreed to create the stabilization fund, but only if it was capped at $150 billion and didn’t give money to tribes. Senate Republicans countered with capping the fund at $150 billion and giving tribes $2 billion, but only if that money came from a separate, supplemental appropriations bill being rolled into the stimulus. Democrats pushed back again, saying that tribes needed direct financial relief as well as increased annual appropriations to deal with the coronavirus. The direct relief would go toward things that needed immediate action, like tribal health care systems already struggling financially.
 

giles

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Don’t they wash a lot of money and don’t pay taxes? Not pointing fingers or anything, trying to wrap my head around this. I’ve never really paid any attention as to how those casinos operate. I know game reserves and such are handled completely different. Not like any other American company or people.