Rumor Has it. No Ohio Baiting

[finelyshedded]

People can disagree. This doesn't change the fact that we take advantage of an animals enticement in many different ways. We get to define the legality of baiting. Mans laws do not get to dictate an animals natural draw to baits be it a like of corn or a pile of does.

What I don't understand is how people think dumping a pile of corn and hunting a funnel to it is baiting. But hunting a funnel to a field of planted corn isn't baiting.

Hunting a pile if apples I dumped is baiting. But hunting a pile of apples from a tree I played isn't baiting.

Hunting a corn field planet for AG isn't baiting. Hunting a 1/4 acre of corn I planted for deer isn't baiting. But hunting a pile of corn I dumped out is baiting.

The problem is people are trying to define baiting by how the law defines baiting and giving zero consideration to what baiting actually is. To define what baiting really is we have to look at the actions of the animal and our action to use that to out advantage. Laws don't define nature.

Funny how that works though. People let laws define what they consider moral or right. For example there are those here who say minerals aren't baiting. The people of Other states would likely call you a baiter as their laws define minerals as such.

And it even changes by species. Turkeys vs deer. To define baiting we need to remove the human person opinion and look at the animals actions. This if they're enticed and you're using that to your advantage, you're baiting that animal.

Bait draws turkeys too as we all know but they don't cause vehicle accidents and farmers panties to wad up! rotflmao

 

[Fletch]

Wasn't going to comment on this..... But... Figured I'd give you my opinion. Remember this is only my opinion and if you want to bait then God Bless You.. Go for it..

First off I hate it... Wish it were stopped in all states that it's legal..

I have a good chunk of public land across from my house, so yesterday I took a little walk to see if I could find some morels... Nothing.. BUT I did come across a PVC pipe duct taped to a tree that was being used as a feeder. Bad thing was there were 7 EMPTY CORN BAG'S lying on the ground. Bag's must be to heavy to carry out. Yeh I gathered them up and carried them out.. This is not the first time I've found empty corn bags from these so-called hunters.

Moldy corn lying on the ground left over from deer season is not the healthiest thing for turkeys to feed on either..

And I love when a guy goes on public land and lays claim to a certain ridge top after dumping a few bags of corn.. Everyone stay away... MINE..

And to think that dumping piles of corn in a heavily forested area where food sources are far and few is no advantage over the guy that comes in and does a little scouting and finds a few areas that show signs of deer feeding is on a level playing field... Lets see 200 lbs of corn placed 17 yds off my left shoulder in a nice clear shooting lane compared to an open forest that the deer MAY come through today from any angle and that MAY provide a shot depending what side of the tree they are on. Yup definitely a level playing field.. And I love when someone say's your baiting when your setup along a 200 acre corn field... REALLY??? How many points of entry lead into that corn field? Take a walk around it and you'll see it's an awful long walk with many places to enter or exit. If they even choose to leave the safety of the corn.. Yup... the SAME as sitting over that 200 lbs of corn 17 yds off my left shoulder in a nice clear shooting lane...

As far as baiting going away... Never going to happen... Those two words come into play here. BIG BUSINESS.. Go to Wal-Mart and see how many skids of corn are out on the floor. Observe the carriages during hunting season.. You'll see a lot of corn in those carriages.. A lot of money changing hands in the corn industry. No way will it end. UNLESS.. CWD rears its ugly head.. And we don't want that..

Again this is only the way I see baiting and is my opinion only.. If its legal... Go for it...

 

[antiqucycle]

Yes get rid of baiting period. Tax hunting lease money At least 100% of what non residents are waving in front of Ohio Farmers.
Then bust everyone involved for failure to issue appropriate 1099 forms and failure to pay Ohio income tax on the lease money.

Then raise non resident deer permits to at minimum, $1000. The non residents can "bribe" a farmer by Waving $10K for a lease can pay $1000 for a license.

 

[giles]

Yes get rid of baiting period. Tax hunting lease money At least 100% of what non residents are waving in front of Ohio Farmers.
Then bust everyone involved for failure to issue appropriate 1099 forms and failure to pay Ohio income tax on the lease money.

Then raise non resident deer permits to at minimum, $1000. The non residents can "bribe" a farmer by Waving $10K for a lease can pay $1000 for a license.

What? Do explain more because that sounds completely stupid to me.

 

[jagermeister]

Did somebody revive the horse? Because I thought we beat the everliving fuck out of that thing already on this topic.

 

[Bigslam51]

Did somebody revive the horse? Because I thought we beat the everliving fuck out of that thing already on this topic.

Somehow the bastard is still alive. Don't know how either lol

 

[finelyshedded]

Did somebody revive the horse? Because I thought we beat the everliving fuck out of that thing already on this topic.

:smiley_clap:

rotflmao

 

[motorbreaker]

Yes get rid of baiting period. Tax hunting lease money At least 100% of what non residents are waving in front of Ohio Farmers.
Then bust everyone involved for failure to issue appropriate 1099 forms and failure to pay Ohio income tax on the lease money.

Then raise non resident deer permits to at minimum, $1000. The non residents can "bribe" a farmer by Waving $10K for a lease can pay $1000 for a license.

Your on crack.

 

[Jackalope]

I wish I had a dollar for each person who can't abjectly separate personal opinion from logical debate.

It's just funny to me. Here in ohio if you used dogs on a deer drive people would think you're the scum of the earth, claim it's so unethical and unfair. Yet in onthe states it's perfectly legal and a normal occurrence. Baffles me how many don't think for themselves and yet allow a law written by men dictate their own personal opinions instead of freely thinking for themselves after personal philosophical debate. Some people say minerals aren't bait, others claim food plots aren't bait, some say a cornfield or an oak flat isn't bait. The one thing I see that's constant across all of these is the people who have a problem with baiting try like hell to say what THEY do isn't baiting. They draw the line where they see fit so they can claim they aren't baiting. It's silly.

Admit It or not we all bait in some way shape fashion or form. Many people would go to their grave never admitting they're baiting by using an animals enticement against itself. But the reality is that's exactly what's happening. You might not be dumping corn but I guarantee the animal is still being baited by something and if you're taking advantage of that enticement, you're baiting, plain and simple. Admit it or not, warp reality how you see fit to claim you're not. Whatever makes you sleep well at night.

 

[at1010]

I wish I had a dollar for each person who can't abjectly separate personal opinion from logical debate.

It's just funny to me. Here in ohio if you used dogs on a deer drive people would think you're the scum of the earth, claim it's so unethical and unfair. Yet in onthe states it's perfectly legal and a normal occurrence. Baffles me how many don't think for themselves and yet allow a law written by men dictate their own personal opinions instead of freely thinking for themselves after personal philosophical debate. Some people say minerals aren't bait, others claim food plots aren't bait, some say a cornfield or an oak flat isn't bait. The one thing I see that's constant across all of these is the people who have a problem with baiting try like hell to say what THEY do isn't baiting. They draw the line where they see fit so they can claim they aren't baiting. It's silly.

Admit It or not we all bait in some way shape fashion or form. Many people would go to their grave never admitting they're baiting by using an animals enticement against itself. But the reality is that's exactly what's happening. You might not be dumping corn but I guarantee the animal is still being baited by something and if you're taking advantage of that enticement, you're baiting, plain and simple. Admit it or not, warp reality how you see fit to claim you're not. Whatever makes you sleep well at night.

Joe, this is a FANTASTIC POST!

Its like the examples I used earlier. If a guy is walking to his stand and found a big oak tree that fell over. He noticed deer hammering the top of the oak tree. He moves his stand and kills a big buck over it. Guy down the road noticed a great deer trail on the way to his stand, he dumps corn there, and kills a big buck over it. Hmmm lots of similarities there and in all honesty the buck is dead either way so I don't think he cares much.

 

[Jamie]

so I'm pretty much baiting every time I go into the woods to kill a deer whether I want to admit it or not. fair enough. if Ohio bans baiting, will I still be able to go hunting with my bow and arrow for deer? or if Ohio bans baiting will it mean something else? baiting, isn't baiting, isn't really baiting is it?

Joes neurotic fixation on baiting notwithstanding, I think if "baiting" was no longer legal, it would apply specifically to dumping piles or corn or whatever on the ground or using timed feeders and similar things. I'm fairly sure that I can still hunt near a well used deer trail, on an Oak flat, or plant a food plot without fear of violating the law. semantics. I guess I don't really give a shit who considers what to be baiting so much as I do what the law states with regard to LEGAL hunting practices.

 

[finelyshedded]

Joe, what are some hunting scenario's where a hunter kills any deer where baiting or enticement as you say is not used or applied? Finding a deer struck by lightening or picking up a fresh road kill don't count! rotflmao

 

[giles]

Joe, what are some hunting scenario's where a hunter kills any deer where baiting or enticement as you say is not used or applied? Finding a deer struck by lightening or picking up a fresh road kill don't count! rotflmao

Helicopters, deer drives, using dogs...sorry, I know you asked Joe. I'm just bored.

 

[Fletch]

Joe, what are some hunting scenario's where a hunter kills any deer where baiting or enticement as you say is not used or applied? Finding a deer struck by lightening or picking up a fresh road kill don't count! rotflmao

Rick... Don't laugh... Here in Jersey we have whats called EAB (Earn a Buck) this is where you have to kill a doe first before you harvest a buck. Guy's were picking up road kills and checking it in to earn their buck tag.. Then some police depts. started marking road kills with orange spray paint. So you'd be driving down the road and see a dead deer on the shoulder with an orange X on its side... Only in Jersey... LOL

 

[finelyshedded]

Rick... Don't laugh... Here in Jersey we have whats called EAB (Earn a Buck) this is where you have to kill a doe first before you harvest a buck. Guy's were picking up road kills and checking it in to earn their buck tag.. Then some police depts. started marking road kills with orange spray paint. So you'd be driving down the road and see a dead deer on the shoulder with an orange X on its side... Only in Jersey... LOL

Wow! That's crazy!

No prob Dave, I thought of deer drives after I typed the question but never woulda thought of the helicopter though! Picturing thousands hovering on 1/4-1/2 mile centers is pretty funny though, if they made all baiting or enticement illegal and it was the only way you can hunt.

 

[giles]

My thought process was more about hunting in general, not just deer. I've always wanted to do some helicopter hunting of some sort. Wolves/pigs/gators, something of that sort.

 

[Blan37]

I wish I had a dollar for each person who can't abjectly separate personal opinion from logical debate.

It's just funny to me. Here in ohio if you used dogs on a deer drive people would think you're the scum of the earth, claim it's so unethical and unfair. Yet in onthe states it's perfectly legal and a normal occurrence. Baffles me how many don't think for themselves and yet allow a law written by men dictate their own personal opinions instead of freely thinking for themselves after personal philosophical debate. Some people say minerals aren't bait, others claim food plots aren't bait, some say a cornfield or an oak flat isn't bait. The one thing I see that's constant across all of these is the people who have a problem with baiting try like hell to say what THEY do isn't baiting. They draw the line where they see fit so they can claim they aren't baiting. It's silly.

Admit It or not we all bait in some way shape fashion or form. Many people would go to their grave never admitting they're baiting by using an animals enticement against itself. But the reality is that's exactly what's happening. You might not be dumping corn but I guarantee the animal is still being baited by something and if you're taking advantage of that enticement, you're baiting, plain and simple. Admit it or not, warp reality how you see fit to claim you're not. Whatever makes you sleep well at night.

Great response - very logical and well reasoned. Way to cut through the crap and distill it down, man.

 

[giles]

Another thought... I'd like to see a rule on the distance off a road that you could dump grain. I don't like seeing feeders and such close to roads. The one on 23 south, just south of 53 and before Coons Candy, should be illegal. If I was to hit a deer right in that area, I'd be all over that dude. Hopefully no one ever gets injured or worse because of stupid people. I know we shouldn't need any more rules, but stupid people shouldn't be breeding either. Am I wrong here?

 

[bowhunter1023]

Not a bad idea.

Played cornhole this weekend with the patriarch of the local deer processing facility. He said our local biologist went up in a helicopter a few times this winter looking for bait sites among other things. He said it's mind blowing how many bare spots with wagon wheel spokes coming off them are present these days. He also said a lot of the racks coming in a exceptionally light and the biologist said he believes it has to do with deer eating mostly shelled corn with the proliferation of baiting. Crazy stuff to hear.

 

[Bigslam51]

Not a bad idea.

Played cornhole this weekend with the patriarch of the local deer processing facility. He said our local biologist went up in a helicopter a few times this winter looking for bait sites among other things. He said it's mind blowing how many bare spots with wagon wheel spokes coming off them are present these days. He also said a lot of the racks coming in a exceptionally light and the biologist said he believes it has to do with deer eating mostly shelled corn with the proliferation of baiting. Crazy stuff to hear.

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