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More Muzzleloader help please!

Lundy

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Giles,

Yes to stainless if you can swing the extra cash, it will pay for itself in the long run. This is another consideration for the powder your shoot and the conditions you hunt in. Pyrodex is pretty corrosive, T7 not quite as bad and BH 209 the least corrosive.

I can tell you from experience that real black powder or Pyrodex in damp or wet conditions care rust a bore pretty quickly. 25 years ago I had to clean my MZ every friggin night after hunting and then fould the barrel the next morning before loading it to hunt again. What a pain that was!!!

By the way stainless steel is NOT rust proof, it is just much more rust resistant depending on the grade of SS. In a MZ I personally believe it is a good investment. There is a reason why all of the high end guns from all manufacturers are all stainless, they get crap dumped down their barrels that centerfire rifles never see.
 

Fletch

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Giles.. Do yourself a favor... Check out the CVA Accura MR (Mountain Rifle) Looks great and when shouldered fits like a dream. Everyone I know that has one loves it. And when all is said and done its a tack driver. And all that for under $500.00.. Do some online shopping and I'm sure you'll find it for even less.. As far as the breech plug for BH209 powder, they can be bought just about everywhere, I just ordered one from CVA. And the firing pin issue is nothing. I was reading the manuel and it said its a good thing to clean it every now and again. It comes out with a common screwdriver. I took it out and put it in some solvent overnight then took a tooth brush TOO it the next day. It wasn't even dirty. But I did shoot BH209 out of it and that burns very clean...
 

Lundy

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What about the knight Disc?

Knight makes nice MZ's. I have two Knight MK 85's that I have had for well over 20 years. I have been so focused on the smokeless MZ's for the last 7-10 years that I am not up on all of the newer models from the primary gun manufacturers. I know Knight used to use Green Mountain barrels and exalt their accuracy but I really don't know what they use now.

Knight, T/C are recognized as kind of the leaders of the pack in quality followed very closely by the higher end CVA's. They all work exactly the same and I think most would be hard pressed to see much if any accuracy differences in any of them. As 5cent stated earlier there a lot of pieces to the puzzle to achieve the maximum performance from any MZ. the gun itself is but one peice and very often is not the most important piece, they all work well just some offer more user friendly features than others. I would feel very confident buying any mid level of higher model from any of the big 3 with knowing they would work just fine.

The introduction BH 209 did allow me to pick up a Remington 700, 45 cal and have the bolt face modification and new breech plug made to accept 209's. With the added velocity of the BH 209 I am able to put a Barnes 195 gr bullet in that 45 caliber and it is one sweet shooting 150 yd, low recoil gun. I would not have done that with only Pyrodex or T7 being the only powders available to me. I set that up for my DIL but I really like it for me if I don't feel like carry around one of my heavy savage MZ's

MZ's are not all that complex, you dump crap down the barrel, make it go boom and the crap comes out of the barrel. Most of the time the crap you dump down the barrel and the OPTICS are more important that the barrel itself. This is all assuming that they guy behind the barrel can at least shoot a little bit.:D
 

"J"

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Knight makes nice MZ's. I have two Knight MK 85's that I have had for well over 20 years. I have been so focused on the smokeless MZ's for the last 7-10 years that I am not up on all of the newer models from the primary gun manufacturers. I know Knight used to use Green Mountain barrels and exalt their accuracy but I really don't know what they use now.

Knight, T/C are recognized as kind of the leaders of the pack in quality followed very closely by the higher end CVA's. They all work exactly the same and I think most would be hard pressed to see much if any accuracy differences in any of them. As 5cent stated earlier there a lot of pieces to the puzzle to achieve the maximum performance from any MZ. the gun itself is but one peice and very often is not the most important piece, they all work well just some offer more user friendly features than others. I would feel very confident buying any mid level of higher model from any of the big 3 with knowing they would work just fine.

The introduction BH 209 did allow me to pick up a Remington 700, 45 cal and have the bolt face modification and new breech plug made to accept 209's. With the added velocity of the BH 209 I am able to put a Barnes 195 gr bullet in that 45 caliber and it is one sweet shooting 150 yd, low recoil gun. I would not have done that with only Pyrodex or T7 being the only powders available to me. I set that up for my DIL but I really like it for me if I don't feel like carry around one of my heavy savage MZ's

MZ's are not all that complex, you dump crap down the barrel, make it go boom and the crap comes out of the barrel. Most of the time the crap you dump down the barrel and the OPTICS are more important that the barrel itself. This is all assuming that they guy behind the barrel can at least shoot a little bit.:D

As always, thanks for your input Kim.... Hopefully you can make the summer shoot....


 

giles

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Lundy, thank you for commenting you seem to have a plethora of knowledge on these subjects and don't mind sharing. Going by what your saying, I'm probably just going buy more of these TC Impacts. All the same price range and I already have one. I will be looking at changing to an easier loading set up though. No reason I should have to start these with a starter ball...my hand is still sore from sighting it in this weekend!

At the same time...I like the stainless idea. That's what caught my eye in the store today. The big orange tag and the shinny metal, lol. With kids (3 of them) and a wife that's kinda getting interested. Ease of cleaning sure would go a long ways.

I also did some reading, these Impacts will take BH, no changes necessary.

I also agree about optics. Something I've really slacked off on the last couple of years...I need to just find a pile of money in a big ass jar! Lol
 

Isaacorps

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I've had a wolf for about 10 years and I love it. Compact, lightweight and easy to shoot and load. It shoots really well too. I put a Bushnell Banner 3-9x40 on it and it's as accurate as can be. I use triple 7 pellets (100 gr) and power belt aero tip sabots 295 gr. It seems to really like that load. It's a great overall gun for the price and takes a beating too. Super easy to carry around the woods all day. Just my 2 cents


 

giles

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I've had a wolf for about 10 years and I love it. Compact, lightweight and easy to shoot and load. It shoots really well too. I put a Bushnell Banner 3-9x40 on it and it's as accurate as can be. I use triple 7 pellets (100 gr) and power belt aero tip sabots 295 gr. It seems to really like that load. It's a great overall gun for the price and takes a beating too. Super easy to carry around the woods all day. Just my 2 cents

Blued or stainless?
 

Isaacorps

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Blued or stainless?

It's actually all black. Black synthetic stock and black barrel



 

Mike

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Here's my best girl. I love this smokeless muzzleloader and it's my favorite deer gun. I clean it once, at the end of the season, and put it away until she's ready to kill deer again. I have a 3-9x40 Bushnell Elite on it. I'm not a great shooter, but I killed a doe at 265 yards last year. High pressure and high velocity. I would recommend smokeless if you can afford to build one since Savage quit manufacturing them.