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Bigcountry40

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https://www.michigan-sportsman.com/...ing-deer-moving-cwd-in-michigan.606847/page-2

Okay so basically prions can live for 25 years and it takes like 17 days to get test results, how in the hell am I going to stay decontaminated for 17 days, think about gutting process, blood gets on clothes, truck beds, garage floors, etc, etc. What happens if a dumb dumb takes a deer into a processor that test positive? I have absolutely no idea what to think about this, 1 hand its been around since the 1980's apparently and we are still hunting and the other hand some experts say it will end hunting. If this becomes a think in Ohio, I really don't think I am deer hunting anymore unless more research, cures, etc come along
 

motorbreaker

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https://www.michigan-sportsman.com/...ing-deer-moving-cwd-in-michigan.606847/page-2

Okay so basically prions can live for 25 years and it takes like 17 days to get test results, how in the hell am I going to stay decontaminated for 17 days, think about gutting process, blood gets on clothes, truck beds, garage floors, etc, etc. What happens if a dumb dumb takes a deer into a processor that test positive? I have absolutely no idea what to think about this, 1 hand its been around since the 1980's apparently and we are still hunting and the other hand some experts say it will end hunting. If this becomes a think in Ohio, I really don't think I am deer hunting anymore unless more research, cures, etc come along

They say the prions are only in the spinal cord and the brain, and teeth. so if you dispose of these parts correctly you should be ok.
The main thing imo is to take preventive measures to combat CWD. That's all I know that we as hunter can do right now.
 

Fletch

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https://www.michigan-sportsman.com/...ing-deer-moving-cwd-in-michigan.606847/page-2

Okay so basically prions can live for 25 years and it takes like 17 days to get test results, how in the hell am I going to stay decontaminated for 17 days, think about gutting process, blood gets on clothes, truck beds, garage floors, etc, etc. What happens if a dumb dumb takes a deer into a processor that test positive? I have absolutely no idea what to think about this, 1 hand its been around since the 1980's apparently and we are still hunting and the other hand some experts say it will end hunting. If this becomes a think in Ohio, I really don't think I am deer hunting anymore unless more research, cures, etc come along

Currently these cases are isolated and I wouldn't worry about the effect on you.. I would worry more about "TICKS" and what problems a simple tick bite can bring. Lyme disease is nothing to laugh about and there are a lot more cases of it showing up every day.
 

Bigcountry40

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Currently these cases are isolated and I wouldn't worry about the effect on you.. I would worry more about "TICKS" and what problems a simple tick bite can bring. Lyme disease is nothing to laugh about and there are a lot more cases of it showing up every day.

Im not really worried, just engaging in discussion and possibilities 10 years down the road. CWD reminds me of lime disease, in the sense that no one really knows anything about it and its very controversial.
 

Fletch

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BigCountry40.... I hear ya... I'm beginning to think all this B/S comes from tree huggers... Out in Illinois the deer roam in amongst my friends cows... Guess where those cows end up. So if the deer have it the cows will to. That steak in the article did look very good... As Giles would say: Add a cold beer and its gone....
 

Iowa_Buckeye

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I don't get too excited about CWD reports any more. It has been in the elk herd since the 70s and they ain't all dead yet. I've never heard of a mass die off from it (usually just a couple random cases, unlike the devastating impacts of EHD). And if no one has caught it or died from it in the past 40+ years, I doubt I'll be lucky enough to be the first!!! Too many other real worries out there to be concerned with it. Yea it sucks, but it ain't the end of deer hunting.
If you are worried about catching or dying from CWD, do you drink or use tobacco? Or eat fatty foods? Or....
 
This where I get confused, some people/experts/research say its only from spine, brain, teeth. This report says all meat, this where my prior post about contamination come into question.

The way I look at it is there is new diseases being found all the time. This can happen in cows, chickens, or any species. CWD has been around for a long time and as far as anyone knows no human has got it. Based upon the current knowledge, I don't let it bother me even if I lived in a CWD area. Now if I know the deer is diseased then I would obviously not eat it. I have thrown away deer and other game before that didn't look right.
 

Jamie

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very interesting read so far. very bothersome as well.

while this book was written 20 years ago, it does a great job of laying down the fundamentals of how these diseases work and where they came from without being too technical. I find it quite alarming.

for the entirety of my adult life I've shied further and further away from industrial meats, processed and fast foods in favor of growing and gathering my own vegetables and killing wild animals. all that is known about all of these TSE's (transmissible spongiform encephalopathies) points in one direction. Whether BSE, CWD or vCJD, the ongoing research indicates that they are effectively all the same, that these proteins evolve and mature over time, perhaps softening species barriers once thought to be insurmountable by prions. now there is evidence that plants take up prions from contaminated soil. https://www.organicconsumers.org/news/prions-plants-new-concerns-regarding-chronic-wasting-disease

CWD wiping out our deer herd is the least of our concerns with prions. they may well wipe us out, too.

there's more in that hot dog than "lips and assholes". be careful what you eat.
 

Curran

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Here’s a very good graphic from QDMA

 
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giles

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while this book was written 20 years ago, it does a great job of laying down the fundamentals of how these diseases work and where they came from without being too technical. I find it quite alarming.

for the entirety of my adult life I've shied further and further away from industrial meats, processed and fast foods in favor of growing and gathering my own vegetables and killing wild animals. all that is known about all of these TSE's (transmissible spongiform encephalopathies) points in one direction. Whether BSE, CWD or vCJD, the ongoing research indicates that they are effectively all the same, that these proteins evolve and mature over time, perhaps softening species barriers once thought to be insurmountable by prions. now there is evidence that plants take up prions from contaminated soil. https://www.organicconsumers.org/news/prions-plants-new-concerns-regarding-chronic-wasting-disease

CWD wiping out our deer herd is the least of our concerns with prions. they may well wipe us out, too.

there's more in that hot dog than "lips and assholes". be careful what you eat.

I couldn’t agree more. People always asking how these kids bodies mature so much faster today...I blame chicken. All the hormones they pump into meat these days can’t be good for us.
 

Jamie

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how else would you suggest they characterize it then? that isn't poetic license, it is scientific fact.
 

giles

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If you only test dead animals, how do you know that CWD was the cause of death? In wild animals that are tested, the death is generally caused by a hunter or vehicle.
 

Jamie

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why is the specific/actual cause of death of an individual who tests positive post-mortem relevant in the context of this discussion anyway?

science has shown, indisputably, that this disease, and every one like it is ultimately fatal to its host. CWD will eventually kill every deer that it infects unless the deer happens to die from something else first. no animal survives CWD, BSE, scrapie or any other form of spongiform encephalopathy, and no human survives Creutzfeld-Jacob disease. these prion related diseases have long incubation periods, sometimes decades in human, and there is no treatment or remedy for any of them. odds are good that a popular game animal will be killed by other means before brain damage takes its toll or before the animal even shows symptoms. people andd captive animals are not always so lucky.