I mean the knuckle..your arrow hit the shaft of the bone. THe end of the leg bone which is the epiphysis and the actual socket! Thats the only thing that is gonig to keep a rage from entering well on a deer.....ANd it is very simple....You just dont aim at it! I have shot Rages and blown through leg bones on exit on does as well.... Which trashes the blades without a doubt every time!
WOW, what did that deer do after the shot joe? Did it bolt off far or did it drop pretty quick? Busting that joint in 3 pieces had to drop that deer quick.
I have always said the knuckle.. thats what I meant when I said the joint...Ohh so now it's the knuckle.. lol.. I don't care what you say kaiser. I've seen enough videos of a rage that didn't it through a beautiful broadside shot to know a rage has a slim chance of making it. And that is the reason I will never shoot one. I'm going to remove that variable. They don't hold a candle to a solid fixed blade head. The bottom line is you'll never see muzzy or slick trick be forced to come out with a 40 KE broadhead. I don't really care to argue with you about it kaiser. It should be pretty obvious to anyone what the point is. A "what if" variable "weakness" has been removed.
I am going to shoot the NAP Killzones with the chisel tip this year.
Phil Hicks...Broadhead diplomat...:smiley_clap:In all fairness to Kaiser, I doubt he would be shooting rages if he was shooting a lower KE bow.
Never shot Rages. I go with the same thinking as Joe. One 2.5" hole is nice. Two holes each being 1.25-1.5" is better than one at 2.5" though. I have watched countless hunting videos with no pass thru. This scares me. If you measure the exit holes I have seen from my Slick tricks, the exit is generally much bigger than the "cutting diameter" advertised. Entry holes are much closer to advertised diameter. So far, I have gotten pass thru shots on Muzzy and Slick Tricks so this is all I can speak for.
I care not to argue. Just throwing out my opinion (and reasoning why) with 6-8 deer killed with broad heads. I am just using logic based on MY experience. If I had the experience and archery ability of Kaiser, Jesse, Joe, Milo, JBrown, or numerous others on this site, my opinion might be different. I don't know.
Not trying to defend anyone, pick sides, or further fuel any fires. Just throwing out why I am going with Slick Tricks again this year.
I have always said the knuckle.. thats what I meant when I said the joint...
I dont care if you wanna argue with me or not.....I didnt really think we were arguing....Just having a friendly debate.....but guess not.....
Never did I say they were as strong as a fixed blade........which they are not i know this....But they are far from junk......Thats the point i Was trying to make.....
You eliminate most of the variables by making ethical shots. ....bottom line.....In the past I have been guilty of taking shots I probably sohuldnt have. Got lucky on most but didnt on a couple..... I learned from that.... IT doesnt matter what is on the end of my arrow.....I am going to kill deer...... BEcause my arrow is gonig to hit where I want it to.......Unless there are variables outside of my power (like deer movement) that changes this....
I have always said the knuckle.. thats what I meant when I said the joint...
I dont care if you wanna argue with me or not.....I didnt really think we were arguing....Just having a friendly debate.....but guess not.....
Never did I say they were as strong as a fixed blade........which they are not i know this....But they are far from junk......Thats the point i Was trying to make.....
You eliminate most of the variables by making ethical shots. ....bottom line.....In the past I have been guilty of taking shots I probably sohuldnt have. Got lucky on most but didnt on a couple..... I learned from that.... IT doesnt matter what is on the end of my arrow.....I am going to kill deer...... BEcause my arrow is gonig to hit where I want it to.......Unless there are variables outside of my power (like deer movement) that changes this....
I agree with this.. But I also believe ethical shots depend on the equipment.. What's ethical with a compound might not be with a recurve. And what's unethical with a broadhead that has a situational limitation, might not be unethical with a better head.. My reasoning is why shoot the other head then. I'm removing that variable altogether.
Phil Hicks...Broadhead diplomat...:smiley_clap:
Sure I can do that u mean one that has went through mulitple deer?...I can probably assess the head just as you are going to....my main complaint about rages were their cut on contact tip...it was flimsy....they changed it this year to a trokar point.....which makes me happy.....
call me tomorrow...you still got my number?
A test I would like to see is how much ft-lbs it takes each type to get through different media and the lose of energy of each type. That would tell a bigger tale.
I love the idea of mechanical broadheads...I just don't like the results compared to a well tuned fixed head. The entrance hole is nice on a 2" cut but I would rather have two 1" inch holes (entrance and exit) than one 2" entrance. I gotta say I used the predecessor of RAGE with much success....Rocky Mountain Snypers.
Now the Ulmer heads have me intrigued. If they came heavier I would give them a try. Only 100's so far.