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Beentown

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There are 30,000 gun related deaths per year by firearms, and this number is not disputed. U.S. population 324,059,091 as of Wednesday, June 22, 2016. Do the math: 0.000000925% of the population dies from gun related actions each year. Statistically speaking, this is insignificant! What is never told, however, is a breakdown of those 30,000 deaths, to put them in perspective as compared to other causes of death:

• 65% of those deaths are by suicide which would never be prevented by gun laws
• 15% are by law enforcement in the line of duty and justified
• 17% are through criminal activity, gang and drug related or mentally ill persons – gun violence
• 3% are accidental discharge deaths

So technically, "gun violence" is not 30,000 annually, but drops to 5,100. Still too many? Well, first, how are those deaths spanned across the nation?
• 480 homicides (9.4%) were in Chicago
• 344 homicides (6.7%) were in Baltimore
• 333 homicides (6.5%) were in Detroit
• 119 homicides (2.3%) were in Washington D.C. (a 54% increase over prior years)

So basically, 25% of all gun crime happens in just 4 cities. All 4 of those cities have strict gun laws, so it is not the lack of law that is the root cause.

This basically leaves 3,825 for the entire rest of the nation, or about 75 deaths per state. That is an average because some States have much higher rates than others. For example, California had 1,169 and Alabama had 1.

Now, who has the strictest gun laws by far? California, of course, but understand, so it is not guns causing this. It is a crime rate spawned by the number of criminal persons residing in those cities and states. So if all cities and states are not created equally, then there must be something other than the tool causing the gun deaths.

Are 5,100 deaths per year horrific? How about in comparison to other deaths? All death is sad and especially so when it is in the commission of a crime but that is the nature of crime. Robbery, death, rape, assault all is done by criminals and thinking that criminals will obey laws is ludicrous. That's why they are criminals.

But what about other deaths each year?
• 40,000+ die from a drug overdose–THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR THAT!
• 36,000 people die per year from the flu, far exceeding the criminal gun deaths
• 34,000 people die per year in traffic fatalities(exceeding gun deaths even if you include suicide)

Now it gets good:
• 200,000+ people die each year (and growing) from preventable medical errors. You are safer in Chicago than when you are in a hospital!

• 710,000 people die per year from heart disease. It’s time to stop the double cheeseburgers! So what is the point? If Obama and the anti-gun movement focused their attention on heart disease, even a 10% decrease in cardiac deaths would save twice the number of lives annually of all gun-related deaths (including suicide, law enforcement, etc.). A 10% reduction in medical errors would be 66% of the total gun deaths or 4 times the number of criminal homicides......Simple, easily preventable 10% reductions!

So you have to ask yourself, in the grand scheme of things, why the focus on guns? It's pretty simple.:
Taking away guns gives control to governments.

The founders of this nation knew that regardless of the form of government, those in power may become corrupt and seek to rule as the British did by trying to disarm the populace of the colonies. It is not difficult to understand that a disarmed populace is a controlled populace.

Thus, the second amendment was proudly and boldly included in the U.S. Constitution. It must be preserved at all costs.

So the next time someone tries to tell you that gun control is about saving lives, look at these facts and remember these words from Noah Webster: "Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed, as they are in almost every kingdom in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword, because the whole body of the people are armed and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops that can be, on any pretense, raised in the United States. A military force at the command of Congress can execute no laws, but such as the people perceive to be just and constitutional; for they will possess the power."

Remember, when it comes to "gun control," the important word is “control," not “gun."
 

Bigcountry40

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I could go on and on with this topic. The shit I see daily now that I’ve switched roles from the classroom to school counselor is mind boggling. Disrespect, knowing there’s no consequences, lack of parental support, and fucking Facebook are all parts of the problem.
“My mom says you can’t do anything and I don’t have to listen”.

Then mom puts it on FB how the school is evil.

We are in a sad state right now. Bottom line is, many kids lack values and it comes from home. Kids are not being brought up right and it leaves educators helpless.

this and your 2nd post. Teachers,cops and authority figures basically have to choices,-do wants right and possibly get fired or face a shit storm, or just keep quiet put on blinders to keep your job and raise your kids the right way at home. Its sad, this why I basically have gotten out of coaching.
 

Wmiller07

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I re-read my post and hopefully I didn't come off as anti-teacher. I've seen some of these kids at school and they will be doing something blatantly disobedient and the parents just stand there. There is definitely something going on in the American psyche. It wasn't that long ago that boys brought there shotguns to school and no one worried about it.
 

Bigcountry40

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I re-read my post and hopefully I didn't come off as anti-teacher. I've seen some of these kids at school and they will be doing something blatantly disobedient and the parents just stand there. There is definitely something going on in the American psyche. It wasn't that long ago that boys brought there shotguns to school and no one worried about it.

I took no offense, typically the only teachers that make the news are the liberal whack jobs that take blatant political stands. Disrespect for cops is even worse.
 
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Wmiller07

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Glad I didn't offend. I know teachers have a tough job and with how we have tied their hands it seems impossible. I went to a small Christian School and we wouldn't have dared talk back to the teacher. There was maybe one kid that did and his dad wasn't in the picture. I think that is another problem we are seeing is the lack of fathers. The liberal media is so quick to hold up the single mother and completely dismisses the role of a father.
 

Bigcountry40

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Glad I didn't offend. I know teachers have a tough job and with how we have tied their hands it seems impossible. I went to a small Christian School and we wouldn't have dared talk back to the teacher. There was maybe one kid that did and his dad wasn't in the picture. I think that is another problem we are seeing is the lack of fathers. The liberal media is so quick to hold up the single mother and completely dismisses the role of a father.

I was raised in a village of 1000 people in a farm community, literally had 1 friend that had divorced parents, now our community has 50% single parent home rate. We as a society do not value marriage and a 2 parent house hold, as more American reject Jesus our society gets worse and worse
 

Jamie

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being moral, responsible, honest, kind, hard working, and spiritual does not require accepting Jesus any more than accepting Jesus will solve the problems we face as a society.
 

giles

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We can set back and point out the problems all day. That does nothing but put us in a salon atmosphere. What can we do to turn this around?
 

Wmiller07

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I think having armed guards in school is our best line of defense. I think it's something like 98% of all mass shootings occur in gun free zones. The only other thing to do is raise your kids right. Get them off the screens and into something real. Take them fishing, hunting or get them involved in some kind of sport.
 

teenbowhunter

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I was raised in a village of 1000 people in a farm community, literally had 1 friend that had divorced parents, now our community has 50% single parent home rate. We as a society do not value marriage and a 2 parent house hold, as more American reject Jesus our society gets worse and worse

Divorce isn't the problem as long as the parents are good people. My parents' divorce devastated me at the time but it ended up making me a much healthier kid. It took me out of a toxic household with no love and showed me what a loving marriage should actually look like with my dad and stepmom. It also allowed my dad to get me back into the outdoors and off the Xbox. That said if you're parents are shitty people a divorce is likely going to make your life ten times worse. I'm sure that religion helps to reduce divorce but I think the bigger problem is people refusing to ever be happy with what they have. Kids are brought up being told they deserve the world and the internet allows them to constantly see people who have more than them. The insecurity and dissatisfaction in this country is skyrocketing. And I'm not perfect by any means, it's impossible not to be envious of some of the people you see on the TV and the internet. I think the internet making other men/women much more available and the lack of a work ethic (to work on a relationship) is part of what is making marriage so increasingly temporary.
 

Bigcountry40

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I should have specified a little more, I was talking about single parent homes with no father present at all and statistic show a much higher rate of negative behavior for children raised in single parent homes. I just used "the i had 1 divorced friend" stat to show the erosion of values within 20 years even in small christian farm towns in rural Ohio, I really have no problem with divorce as long as parents are civil and fathers stay involved.
 
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