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Squirrel Doggin' 2017: The Chronicles of Lefty and Slick, Chapter II

Jamie

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is it me or has the weather been unusually poor for the last two weeks? windy, snowy, friggin' cold. Squirrels have not been doing much. Dogs are making lots of trees, 3/4 of them dens or leaf nests. Slick and I did not see a single squirrel all day yesterday. Plenty of tracks in fresh snow yesterday but rats holed up again, still.

Lefty and I got busy today. Was a pretty nice day, really, but squirrels still not doing much. We visited 4 smallish areas, saw one squirrel on each drop, killed one squirrel on each drop. I saw tons of fresh tracks in new snow everywhere we went today, but squirrels not cooperating much.

Lefty behaved himself and hunted like I've come to expect, like he should. covered some ground and found some meat. Slick back in the game tomorrow.

 

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bowhunter1023

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that varies greatly by area. generally, predation does play a part, but it is probably less than you think. I'd say that more damage is done to nests full of helpless young by coons, snakes, and other squirrels than by large birds of prey or hunters killing grown squirrels. even more likely is that low numbers of rats means the food is someplace else, and that is where they go. squirrels migrate, and I have seen them vanish from a farm I hunt in southern Ohio. tons of squirrels there for 30 years, 5 poor nut crops in a row there and squirrels are few in number compared to what they used to be. corn feeders and better timber a half mile away. add in some hunting with dogs and itchy trigger fingers and squirrel populations go down. one thing I've always wondered about is the dispersal of the young. squirrels have two breeding cycles a year. perhaps the young leave the area as a natural mechanism to prevent inbreeding rather than bolstering the population where they are born.

That's new knowledge for me. Very interesting stuff Jamie. Appreciate you sharing that insight. I can see why we've seen lower numbers on the farm despite not hunting them. Between bobcats and the massive owl nest on our place, they have plenty of fear from predators. But there are neighboring farms with corn and better overall oak/hickory habitat.
 

aholdren

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Im glad its just not me cause I took my boy to a guaranteed limit spot this fall and never seen a single bushy tail. Not even a distant bark. Plenty of nuts this season too.
 

giles

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Question for the squirrel doctor. Do grays and fox breed at a different rate? Or migrate differently?

4 years ago when I bought this place it was overrun with grays. I went through and tried my best to wipe them out. Limit after limit after limit kind of year. Sitting here this morning there’s more grays running around then I can count, with 2 fox...one things for sure, squirrel rut is in full effect here today!
 

Jamie

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they both have two breeding cycles a year at roughly the same times, December-January, April-June. gestation periods are about the same, approximately 45 days, and they are equally prolific as far as my research points out, having 2-6 (an average of three) young per litter. Seems like Greys are much more likely to migrate en masse than Eastern Fox squirrels. I've never found any information pointing to mass Fox squirrel migrations. Much historical record of huge Grey migrations exists clear back to the early 19ty century. like most wild animals, populations fluctuate around food abundance, habitat quality, etc.
 

giles

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Yeah, I’ve read some stories stating that “you could walk across the Ohio river and never get wet”. I seen them in every size this morning as well. I normally have a healthy population here at the house, this morning was nothing short of impressive though. The hickory is plentiful here this year.

If I was to try and put a number to it, I bet I seen 25 this morning. When they all started chattering when a cat came through, I was in full awe.
 

"J"

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Heading out in the morning with my buddy and his squirrel dog, first time this year for me and second for him.... Should be interesting lol
 

Jamie

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Heading out in the morning with my buddy and his squirrel dog, first time this year for me and second for him.... Should be interesting lol
hope you guys do better than I've been. squirrels just have not been out and active enough for dogs to find them. Den after den after den. dogs don't go to a tree just for the fun of it. squirrel is there in a hole or was very recently. we have just not seen as many active as I have in the past. keep on trying, but it's going to get tough after Christmas with a spell of bitter cold coming. I have lost several good days since gun week because I've had to work. few of my painting customers are willing to wait until February to get their painting done so I can squirrel hunt. lol, I just don't get that. :smiley_confused_sch I'm heading out with Slick this morning. we head north to a spot that I have not visited yet this season.
 

"J"

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4 hours and 4 miles of walking for just the trigger pullers and 9 squirrels later with one black and the rest all fox.
Buster is a damn maniac... About to run the 3 of us to death lol...

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Meet buster

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Dick on the left, Joe on the right. Joe was the unfortunate one to have a game vest on and carried the tree rats for us lol

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I won’t have to deal with these buggers the rest of deer season lol
Still plenty more to get outta that place....

Amazing how you can sit on stand and see dozens of squirrels and bring one dog in and they all vanish lol

Heck of a day and had a blast with some great company. 4 squirrels came outta 2 trees..... Hit about a dozen den trees with no sightings but buster hit hard on them and didn’t want to leave...
 

"J"

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Jamie, we did come across a fox squirrel that was covered in callused up tumors all over the back and belly. You ever see anything like that? My first thought was maybe ticks? But not sure. Had about a dozen of them about the size of a dime in diameter and raised up about a 1/2”.
 

Jamie

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Well done, J. that's a nice haul. Happy you had as good a day as I did. :smiley_bril: Today was, by far, the best weather day I've had to squirrel hunt the entire season so far. Cool, sunny, no wind to speak of. It has either been pretty windy, pretty cold, pretty wet or various combinations every time I've been out before today. Rats were active and Slick delivered the goods. On our first drop I got four and Slick got one. That's right, Slick caught and killed a squirrel while I was still walking to the tree. Granted, it was a young squirrel that panicked and bailed out of the tree, which is a fatal mistake for a dog with the jets Slick has, but still, you cannot teach a dog to hunt like that. He did a nice job of staying treed today for the most part. On the first squirrel, he did leave the tree and got on another one 30 feet away. Right after I chased him back to his first choice, I found the squirrel in the second tree and shot it out. On the second squirrel he was on the wrong tree as I approached, but got on the right tree while I was still walking. I had spotted this squirrel from 100 yards out with binos, so I knew he figured it out and chose correctly. That was a very good learning experience for Slick as he has been having trouble making up his mind to commit. Important for me to be patient with him and let him figure it out to the point that he commits and trees. If he takes too long, I move him on, and I'm sure I have pulled him from tracks that he might have eventually deciphered. He's really getting better at not milling around cold track too much. 5 rats in two hours is a damn good start. He went to four or five dens along the way, too.



I cleaned these and drove to another spot, ate my lunch. I was pretty confident that Slick would score his first limit today since it wasn't even noon yet. We had plenty more ground to cover, and squirrels were obviously moving good today. Only took about 15 minutes for him to find number six. I was not able to get a real good shot, so I took what I had, which was about 1/2 of the squirrels head, the front half. I shot his nose off with the first shot, which sent him into a tizzy. shot three more times and hit branches between us with every shot. Squirrel started to come down main trunk in plain view, and it was open. I delivered maybe the best off hand shot I've ever made. Center of the head on a moving squirrel at 30 yards or so. So, Slick and I limit out for the first time. It's kind of a big thing to me, but I'm not sure why. I collect number six and turn us around to head back to the truck, but Slick was not ready to quit. He ran off about 150 yards and treed again. I was very tempted to shoot out another, but stifled my urge. Instead I shot Slick a couple of time since he was hammering this tree particularly hard.



I'll give Slick his props, he NEVER wants to quit hunting. I hurried him out of there since I didn't think I'd be able to resist shooting another if he treed it. mischeif.gif

Slick growing up quick. Very proud of this pup today. He appears to be quite pleased with himself as well.:pickle:



And he's posing for his hero pics. He's actually turned into somewhat of a ham. ;)
 

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Jamie

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Jamie, we did come across a fox squirrel that was covered in callused up tumors all over the back and belly. You ever see anything like that? My first thought was maybe ticks? But not sure. Had about a dozen of them about the size of a dime in diameter and raised up about a 1/2”.

I've never seen that on a squirrel. could be ticks. could be fleas? ringworm? I don't really know what parasites affect squirrels besides tick, fleas, and warbles. would be interesting to find out. you got any pics of that?
 

"J"

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I've never seen that on a squirrel. could be ticks. could be fleas? ringworm? I don't really know what parasites affect squirrels besides tick, fleas, and warbles. would be interesting to find out. you got any pics of that?

I’m kicking myself now for not getting pictures of it but after you mentioned ring worm hat struck a bell, a ringworm picture was posted on another thread on a dog and it looked a lot like that...

Joe the one guy with us never had gotten a black squirrel so he popped his cherry today as well... That was really cool.

Slick seems to be turning into one fine squirrel dog. It’s a blast to see these dogs work their asses off to get you on them.IMG_0350.jpg
 
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Jamie

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"Doing the same thing over and over expecting a different results" is the bon mot many people mistake for the definition of insanity for good reason. Doing the same thing over and over hoping for a different outcome, but not ever getting it, surely demonstrates some degree of mental derangement or at least utter foolishness. maybe both? It's possible that I should be committed.

After having such a smashing good day with Slick on Wednesday, I tried to leave him home Thursday and just take Lefty, but I didn't. As expected, Lefty was a problem. He took it to a whole new level Thursday. Slick worked out a track and settled on a tree, doing it like a pro. About the time that I actually saw the squirrel, Lefty gets on a tree of his own about 50 yards away and starts barking. After I ignored Lefty while looking for a shot at Slicks squirrel, Lefty runs over and joins Slick, which is totally fine, but I was playing a serious game of hide and seek with this particular squirrel and it was taking a long time (in total, about 20 minutes or so, which is an eternity), and when Lefty got impatient, he just ran off the tree, dragging Slick with him. I furiously tied Slick and got him back on his tree and went about looking for the squirrel again, Lefty starts is running to me, spooking the squirrel every time I maneuver into position to shoot. I was trying hard to just get this squirrel shot out for Slick, but realized that I was never going to do it with Lefty's "help", so I tied him with Slick on the tree, eventually made a nice head shot on the squirrel.

Lefty has begun to actively disrupt Slick while he's working, and that is intolerable as it will surely deteriorate into a dog fight on a tree. I've seen that happen, and it isn't pretty. Lefty on the verge of becoming a house pet at this point as I have lost all hope for him ever hunting with another dog after what I witnessed on Thursday. to say that it's disappointing is a gross understatement. He is a supremely talented dog, going down the drain. it pains me.

So I work my way back to the truck to lock Lefty in the box, Slick and I hunted on for another hour or so, and Slick sight chased one up a tree and I was able to shoot it out. After moving on to another area, I decided to let them both loose again. They did both hunt, and in a coordinated way, for that matter. Right up until Lefty treed, anyway. Slick sorta kinda joined him, but did not actually get on the tree. I was wading around in neck high green briars trying to locate the squirrel. It was up there alright, but not budging, and with it's head obscured. Lefty ran off the tree and I forced him back on, decided to take the body shot on the squirrel. That was a bad idea as squirrel was hit, even fell, but caught itself and limped into a hole while I was shooting twigs and/or missing with numerous follow up shots. I really hate leaving them hang, and that is all on me. Lefty didn't do a damn thing the rest of the day after that, Slick scoured the woods like a squirrel dog is supposed to. I loaded them up and decided to try one more drop, but I probably should have quit. I was very exasperated by that point, with Lefty mostly, but with myself, too. so exasperated, in fact, that I forgot to bring my rifle along on the last drop. Dogs have taken off together and Slick starts barking, Lefty with him. That was when I realized that I didn't have a gun. That's a first for me. I was only about 300 yards from the truck, so I ran back and got my gun, dogs still barking on a tree, so I went to them. My marathon ended at a big fat den tree, again. That was one of those moments when I had to ask myself if this was actually still fun, and my answer was a resounding "fuck no, dumbass." Slick not ready to quit and he had raced off to find me another squirrel. I could not get Lefty to move, literally. he just stood right next to me refusing to hunt. I put him on a lead and was rather hoping that Slick would not find anything, circle back and we would call it a day. Well, about that time, Slick started barking, and he's out there a ways, perhaps off of the public ground. And he's barking and howling and treed solid. He ain't coming back until I go get him, so I loosed Lefty and started marching. Slick treed just off the public ground about 30 yards on the one tree in a nasty briar thicket. Sure enough, he had one. Frankly, I did not give the fact that I was now trespassing by a few feet a second thought. I could not move around the tree to get a shot because of the 8 foot tall multiflora rose. My lateral movement only caused squirrel to move around. I tried for a few minutes to get any sort of shot, but all I could see was feet. Slick did such a wonderful job, not only finding this one, but stayed treed for a long time. I wanted to give him this one, but I had to give up as there was no way I was going to get a reasonable shot. I called them off of the tree, gave Slick the love he deserved and began the long walk back to the truck. Our day was now over for real. Two in the bag, one left hanging, one outwitted me. Not exactly a great day for the shooter. A miserable day for Lefty, another successful day for Slick. I was so tired and pissed off I did not bother with pics or to update this thread. I just did not want to relive the day.
 

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Jamie

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[COLOR= ]With wet weather upon us, I stayed a little closer to home yesterday. I'm not sure if the drizzle and wet, quiet ground enabled it, but Slick chased deer three times yesterday. I suspect that he surprised the deer because it was so quiet in the woods, jumped them and saw them and began to chase. This is the first time he's ever chased deer. On our first drop I walked him to the woods on a lead like I always do. When I let him loose he took off like a rocket like he always does. At 200 yards he starts yipping wildly. at 300 hundred, still yipping wildly, I could not reach the trainer fast enough as I realized he was chasing deer. tone, yell, low power yell, again. I'm getting nothing. Slick still running and yipping full power(and I laid on it for a couple seconds), but that only slowed him down and shut him up. I start walking, as fast as I can without breaking into a run, yelling and toning/zapping him. I cover about 400 yards, and Slick is still out about 200 but I'm gaining on him. I stopped to catch my breath and call him. He finally comes, and honestly had no idea that I was ready to bash his head in with the butt of my gun stock. If I was fast enough to catch him, I might have. I put him on a lead and dragged him back to our original starting point to start over. young dog is gonna chase some trash. I get over it. We hunted on and Slick found two squirrels, stayed treed perfectly, rifle found its mark. Off to stop number two and a little deja vu. I turn him loose, he takes off like a rocket. 200 yards out, he starts yipping again. I didn't waste any time with the trainer this time. I let him have it and it did not even slow him down. full power three times, and me sprinting across the woods yelling like a man possessed, and he finally turned around and came to me. I could just shake my head and try to calm myself down. Slick without a care in the world, tongue hanging out, tail stub wagging, waiting on me to start moving so he would know which direction to go. This is a big woods and Slick covered it pretty well, but only found a half dozen den trees. Stop number three went pretty well. Slick only treed one squirrel, but did a bang up job figuring out the track and staying on the tree. After I confirmed there was a squirrel I eased into position slowly and quietly in an effort to keep squirrel from moving to hide from me. I almost made it. Squirrel only flinched a little, so I could still see the top of its head. Shot it's nose off, but squirrel ran onto my side of the main trunk offering me a wide open shot at a running squirrel, which I missed twice before squirrel had gotten hidden again. Slick gets excited when the rifle starts singing, so he was hot on the tree as I wandered around and around looking for a way to get a bullet to this wounded rat. I finally found a shot, but I had moved away from the tree a good bit and there were lots of small branches between gun barrel and rats head. I took a good rest, focused on the reticle, exhaled slowly and squeezed one off. Nothing but brains on what seemed an impossible shot. By some miracle provided by the hunting gods to even out the misery they cast upon me twice earlier, I presume. That would be the only squirrel we would see in that spot, but we did visit several dens. On stop number four Slick found a squirrel before he had a chance to scare up any deer. Did a bang up job staying treed while I played hide and seek with a very stubborn rat. Eventually, I gave up, but had some vines attached to the tree to shake. I start shaking, rat takes off, timbers out to a smaller tree, then bailes to the ground. Perfect! except for Slick did not see the squirrel leave. so, this one got away as I did not see it go up another tree and could not get Slick on the track. So we cross a dove field to another small woodlot. We get in there and Slick goes loping off, happy dog doing his job. he gets just out of my sight, about 100 yards or so, and starts yipping wildly again, and he's running fast. I pulled out the trainer, cranked it up to full power and laid on the button until he was still and quiet. I hurt him this time, and I meant to. Slick learns fast, and hopefully he learned something about chasing deer yesterday. I called him one time and he came straight to me in a big hurry. That was enough for me. We made the long walk back to the truck and got out of the rain for good. [/COLOR]
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[COLOR= ]We've had some bright spots in the last few weeks. Slick is really staying treed great for me, and I have been shooting really well. The rest of it is just growing pains. Still, this has not been a good squirrel season so far. Squirrels are not too abundant, but I don't know if they simply are few in number or if we've just had bad timing and less than desirable conditions most days. I know that Slick is going to miss a few, and we have been visiting plenty of den trees, indicating that rats are there, just not coming out to play.

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[COLOR= ]I've laid down a lot of boot leather these last three days for 11 squirrels. According to the track log on my Garmin, Slick has gone 23.8 miles in three days. Two of those miles probably covered his deer chasing, though. He's sure got some wheels, and he has really started using them just this week. He's hunting faster than ever, getting out there a ways, too. we stay in and rest today, try and squeeze in a short hunt tomorrow before our Christmas marathon begins as there won't be another hunt until next Wednesday.[/COLOR]
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[COLOR= ]No pics on Thursday, didn't bother with the third squirrel in the rain yesterday. two tails from Thursday on his left, two from our first stop yesterday on the right. [/COLOR]​

 

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