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Joel

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Why not start a nonprofit website for landowners to be able to fully understand leasing themselves? ...

There ya go! Put some time into it and make it happen. If you're passionate about changing something get off your ass and do something about it.

That's not a personal attack so don't take it that way. The point is that the only way to change issues we have with hunting and outdoor heritage is to do something about it.
 

giles

Cull buck specialist
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BTW Joel, I didn't take it personal.

Rich, I hope you haven't taken anything I've said personal either. I seriously hope you find what you're looking for and it comes with years of enjoyment.
 

Bigcountry40

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I'm actually a big fan of southern style hunt clubs, basically a lot of these act as non profits to a certain extent. The club I was in about 20 years prior to my joining had NWTF come in and reintroduce turkeys, you should see the area now loaded except during turkey seasons. then they all disappear.
 
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Fletch

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BTW Joel, I didn't take it personal.

Rich, I hope you haven't taken anything I've said personal either. I seriously hope you find what you're looking for and it comes with years of enjoyment.

Dave... Why would I take it personal? Alls good buddy. Anyhow seems like we are on the same page. I dont like that hunting has become the sport that it is today with all the greed and jealousy, but we have to make the best of it.
 
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Jackalope

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I guess to me I see the middle man being very similar to a real estate agent. Do you need one to buy or sell a piece of property? Absolutely not, but they do all the leg work of advertising, financing, answering questions, etc. It requires less work for the buyer and seller.

Also the middle man here does have risk as well since if his contracts aren't written correctly with both the buyer and/or seller then he could be financially liable. If I was going to do it, I would make sure to consult with a lawyer for the agreements and would also make sure to carry adequate insurance.

Even in PA which isn't a destination state for whitetails, there is alot of leases popping up. Mostly because of the reasons mentioned above.
That's precisely what it is, the middle man acts like a lease broker. He locates the property, negotiates with the landowner, takes pictures of the property, advertises the property, drafts the contract with whatever stipulations the landowner wants, gets the contract signed, makes sure the leasors have adequate insurance, makes sure the landowner is paid on time, enforces the contract terms and conditions, deals with any issues of breech, and then the next year he does it again. For that he is paid on commission.

The landowner simply makes his requirements for the contract then cashes the check.
 

finelyshedded

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I guess to me I see the middle man being very similar to a real estate agent. Do you need one to buy or sell a piece of property? Absolutely not, but they do all the leg work of advertising, financing, answering questions, etc. It requires less work for the buyer and seller.

Also the middle man here does have risk as well since if his contracts aren't written correctly with both the buyer and/or seller then he could be financially liable. If I was going to do it, I would make sure to consult with a lawyer for the agreements and would also make sure to carry adequate insurance.

Even in PA which isn't a destination state for whitetails, there is alot of leases popping up. Mostly because of the reasons mentioned above.


It could be if more hunters practiced QDM. The leasing can really help turn your state into a much better producer of high scoring giant whitetails.

What will happen though as leasees increase the quality of deer and social media exploits the successes these leasees have had those with more money will eventually find out where the property is and move in and take over. That's what hunting has become, IMO. This is the downfall, unfortunately.

This is why owning your land tops leasing, IMO. If a fella can find 20 to 50 acres of prime land and build a modest home on it or property of the same size with an existing similar size home on it and work to improve it to draw and hold deer then you'll be much better off than the majority of hunters.
 

Jackalope

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It could be if more hunters practiced QDM. The leasing can really help turn your state into a much better producer of high scoring giant whitetails.

What will happen though as leasees increase the quality of deer and social media exploits the successes these leasees have had those with more money will eventually find out where the property is and move in and take over. That's what hunting has become, IMO. This is the downfall, unfortunately.

This is why owning your land tops leasing, IMO. If a fella can find 20 to 50 acres of prime land and build a modest home on it or property of the same size with an existing similar size home on it and work to improve it to draw and hold deer then you'll be much better off than the majority of hunters.
Thats where the people that lease need to have their bases covered. If they intend to make major improvements then it needs to be written that they have 10, 15, 20 year first right of refusal for renewal. Lease price can increase yearly at no more than national rate of inflation and if the landowner terminates not for cause the property can't be leased for a number of years.

This put is three protections.

1. They always have the first right to release the property over anyone else the next year.

2. The landowner can't raise the price to purposefully price them out.

3. The landowner can't decide to not lease to get rid of them because he wants to lease to someone else.

 

giles

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It could be if more hunters practiced QDM. The leasing can really help turn your state into a much better producer of high scoring giant whitetails.

What will happen though as leasees increase the quality of deer and social media exploits the successes these leasees have had those with more money will eventually find out where the property is and move in and take over. That's what hunting has become, IMO. This is the downfall, unfortunately.

This is why owning your land tops leasing, IMO. If a fella can find 20 to 50 acres of prime land and build a modest home on it or property of the same size with an existing similar size home on it and work to improve it to draw and hold deer then you'll be much better off than the majority of hunters.

Which is exactly my plan. Only way I can see my kids and grandkids having a future in this for their kids. Pretty disgusting if you ask me.
 

Jackalope

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Which is exactly my plan. Only way I can see my kids and grandkids having a future in this for their kids. Pretty disgusting if you ask me.
Dont know about that man. I've been to a many a hunting clubs in the south that were leased with yearly buy in for membership from $200 on up to the tens of thousands a year. They all had kids running around camp and hunting. I shot my first deer as a guest at my uncles hunting club. Everything in Mississippi is leased. And every person I know of hunts. If you meet 10 men in the south I guarantee you 9 of them hunt. Even most black people hunt. Finding a club to join and hunt is 10x easier there than finding a place to hunt here. Hell the Sunday classifieds in the paper is full of ads looking for new members.



 

Fletch

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Perhaps a group should be formed from TOO members and pick up a large piece of ground...
 

jlane

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Guys, hunt clubs/groups is not a bad thing.
Leasing isin't a bad thing.
One thinking he/she is entitled to hunt where ever is a bad thing.
I came to ohio on a lease thru a broker, started to getting to know the landowners around the area i hunt, they would not allow any locals to hunt their properties.
When I started talking about hunting every owner I have, asked where i was from.
Once they found out I was from out of state they got interested in leasing.
I only asked one landowner about his land for lease, kinda reluctlant aproching that subject as he had said he did'nt allow no one to hunt his property.
After leasing and sitting and talking with him and his father, I ask why he didn't allow anyone to hunt his piece(quote, out of his mouth, said the locals didn't respect his wishes, he would allow one to hunt then before long there would be people that he had no idea who they were).
As i said I don't go looking for leases, All but one track I was approached about a lease from the owners.
The last track I gained I was at a small store drinking coffee and a guy ask if I was interested in a farm to hunt. Of coarse I said, Ok lets take a ride, leave your truck here and ride with me, he said, after a half a day of riding and introducing me to family the day was done.
Gained that farm.
So sometimes it's the hunters weather it be family or friends, that will screw it up for others.
I still get offers to lease land but turn some down because i can't hunt but so much, that where some ask if i can find someone to sub-lease their land to.
I don't advertize to lease or sub-lease, I don;t do a large mark-up on the properties that i sub-lease, just enough to cover the cost of insurance and doing the paperwork for the landowners.
Most landowners don't want to deal with the aggreavation of hunting.
By the way the last farm i leased, the family said no one was allowed to hunt in there, after walking the property it was evident that it was being hunted, by the son-n-law and about 8 of his buddies.
 

reo

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MK... I agree 100%.. If I lived in Ohio I'd have the spare time to go knock on doors and research areas and I'd get access to hunt private property.. But living 6 to 8 hours away depending on what part of Ohio we are talking about it gets time consuming and expensive. Here is where the middle man enters the picture.. I don't mind giving him a finders fee when hes saving me $$$$ and allowing me time to do other things other than spending a weekend on a road trip that turns up nothing.. In the long run its a win win situation for me.. BUT.. Some are getting greedy in this business and want more and more and MORE... They are not satisfied in just a fair share...


LOL!!! Until it gets leased by someone....
 

giles

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Dont know about that man. I've been to a many a hunting clubs in the south that were leased with yearly buy in for membership from $200 on up to the tens of thousands a year. They all had kids running around camp and hunting. I shot my first deer as a guest at my uncles hunting club. Everything in Mississippi is leased. And every person I know of hunts. If you meet 10 men in the south I guarantee you 9 of them hunt. Even most black people hunt. Finding a club to join and hunt is 10x easier there than finding a place to hunt here. Hell the Sunday classifieds in the paper is full of ads looking for new members.

I'm talking about after I'm gone.

The lack of public hunting land in Ohio is gonna turn into a big problem and those hunt clubs will be the only choice for blue collar folks. Pay to play...
 

Just 1 More

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I'm talking about after I'm gone.

The lack of public hunting land in Ohio is gonna turn into a big problem and those hunt clubs will be the only choice for blue collar folks. Pay to play...

Lack of public hunting????? rotflmao You got way more public hunting area than a lot of states