Whatch think?

brock ratcliff · Sep 8, 2016

Gern186 said:
You wouldn't be happy taking this deer ?

No, unless I believe it is him, and right now I do not. I would feel bad if we killed him and found out he is a three year old instead of 8+, or however old Beans should be. Mason is sure it's him, so I hope it is or hope he doesn't get an opportunity at this one. Ha.

brock ratcliff · Sep 8, 2016

Here are a couple of pics of him last year. He obviously lost a lot from the previous year, tines shortened, etc. Yet he still has that little crab claw on the inside of his right beam as this deer does this year. I just don't know what to think, and I'm getting tired of studying pics trying to figure it out....like you guys are probably tired of me showing you more. HA

finelyshedded · Sep 8, 2016

brock ratcliff said:
Here's a better one from three yrs ago. Notice that point on the inside of his right beam? This deer has it, but that's about it.

Another thing worth mentioning on differences, his split right g2 is no longer split and the mass doesn't appear as heavy. I really just can't say 100% one way or the other Brock or Mason! I do know I'd shoot "this" years buck without losing any sleep as he's as mature a buck you could ever wanna hunt, IMO!

If I had to say one way or another I'd say 51% yes it is Beans and 49% no it's not.....rotflmao

teenbowhunter · Sep 8, 2016

Nahhhhhh. But maybe haha. I don't see it. Doesn't look old enough or massive enough

Gern186 · Sep 8, 2016

brock ratcliff said:
No, unless I believe it is him, and right now I do not. I would feel bad if we killed him and found out he is a three year old instead of 8+, or however old Beans should be. Mason is sure it's him, so I hope it is or hope he doesn't get an opportunity at this one. Ha.

Wow. OK. To each their own I guess.

Buckmaster · Sep 8, 2016

My vote is "no", not him.

I was paying close attention to the left beam toward the tip as it curls in a bit on this year's photo.

Maybe my eyes are getting old but I'd say,,,,,"not him".

rsmith · Sep 8, 2016

I'm with everyone else with them not being the same deer. They do seem to have similar characteristics but the body and the sheer mass of the deer in the middle is significantly larger then the other pictures. Also look at the first picture and the 4th picture, see how he has that mule deer type split g2, the buck in the last 2 does not have that trait. Also look at the first picture and notice how he doesn't have a browtine on his right side, the picture of the deer in the last 2 does which I find odd as well. Deffinatly a great deer but it's a no for me on them being the same deer.

Fullbore · Sep 8, 2016

Just my .02, but I think it's not him. However, it's an offspring from his gene pool. I'd choot his ass and be damn content! Lol

brock ratcliff · Sep 8, 2016

All the boys have shed over the last two or three days.

Here is the deer in question without velvet. I'm telling you guys, Mason is positive this is him, and there are some striking similarities that perhaps I'm not doing a good job of conveying with the limited pics posted. I'd just feel a lot better if the other one would show up so Mason would get off killing what may be a "has been".

And let me tell you, if I knew it was him for sure, I'd be all for Mason killing him if given the chance. And I should clarify, he can kill any deer he wants, it's just funny after two solid years of him refusing to shoot that he is suddenly ready to kill any decent buck. I mean last year after we found the big one again, he wouldn't even go back to hunt that big 10 and he was coming in every day with shooting light for a couple of weeks!

brock ratcliff · Sep 8, 2016

The one in the background is the one Mason believes this one to be. And this was taken last year.

brock ratcliff · Sep 8, 2016

I'm trying to find pics that show the similarities but it is kinda hard due to most of what I have being vids. Anyway, a couple more.

rsmith · Sep 8, 2016

Idk man look at the mass loss on the brow tines from last year to this year. Idk

cspot · Sep 8, 2016

I agree that it is tough for us to tell. Since you have originals, you can blow them up and look at details. Obviously you have history with this deer which helps as well. The 1st pic from this year that you posted 3 hrs ago, you can see how poor of shape the deer is in. Look at how thin he is. His backbone is sticking up thru the hide. I think the poor physical condition not only affects his rack, but also makes him look younger than what he is and smaller body size.

My opinion would be to take him and then get him aged. I wouldn't lose that much sleep if he turns out to be a 3 yr old. Of course I am from PA where 3 is an old old deer. LOL.

Fluteman · Sep 8, 2016

brock ratcliff said:
I'm trying to find pics that show the similarities but it is kinda hard due to most of what I have being vids. Anyway, a couple more.

Brow tines run parallel and more leaned back on the second buck, the first goes straight up and lean outward...

Fullbore · Sep 9, 2016

Plus the mass at the pedicals and bases isn't as gnarly and beaded as the one on the left.
Just too bad we don't have the sheds in hand to compare! Lol

Jake_C · Sep 9, 2016

Hard to really tell... I want to GUESS that it's not, though. maybe a sibling/offspring and that's where that crab claw is coming from? either way I'd put him down just to find out for sure!

brock ratcliff · Sep 9, 2016

At this point we are going to kill this dude if given the chance. I'm seeing enough similarities to believe it might be him. Mason is certain it is. Unless I see otherwise beforehand, we are killing him and sending his teeth off. Even if it isn't, he's a pretty solid buck and Mason is trigger happy this year anyway.

Boarhead · Sep 9, 2016

Hard to tell but sure hope Mason gets him.

rsmith · Sep 9, 2016

Good luck to you and Mason this year! Hopefully he will stroll on by and you guys will be able to connect on a great deer! What ever happened to that monster 10 that he shot over the back of last year? I can't remember if you guys ended up seeing it again after that or not.

brock ratcliff · Sep 9, 2016

That 10 took a solid raping from a much smaller 8 right in front of the camera. We never saw him again after that. I have no idea if he died last year or not, but wouldn't be surprised. He disappeared mid October. Other hunters found 7 decapitated bucks at the back of the farm, wouldn't be surprised if he was one of them.

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