Thats typical amish for ya. Growing up in Geauga county I understand exactly what this property is going through.
What would be your plan?
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ODNR made me do it
I just don't buy into that. The ODNR doesn't pull the trigger.
I also have trouble with the ODNR lied to hunters statement. They estimated the herd, said there were too many, told us they were on a herd reduction plan, hunters obliged, and we are where the ODNR said they were taking the herd. They openly said their plan was to reduce the population, they did.
I just don't buy into that. The ODNR doesn't pull the trigger.
I also have trouble with the ODNR lied to hunters statement. They estimated the herd, said there were too many, told us they were on a herd reduction plan, hunters obliged, and we are where the ODNR said they were taking the herd. They openly said their plan was to reduce the population, they did.
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I say we annex Indiana and take all their deer and women
Wait - shit - is this thing on? testing testing oh shit
Wait - shit - is this thing on? testing testing oh shit
Here's my plan..... im sure you guys will love this. Ha
I do not have a lot of knowledge of public land deer hunting.... but I c an only imagine it has been raped. So I would make all public land draw only for deer. X amount of tags for x amount of hunters.
I would maintain the current county by county harvest number system.... regulate harvest based off hunter surveys and harvest records.
I would start bow season a month early.... the firdt month is buck only.... I woild also end it a month early.... so like January 1st or something to that effect.
I would keep youth season where it is.... I would make gun season Monday through friday, beginning the first Monday after Thanksgiving... muzzy season would be three days in mid to late december.....
I would hike non res tags to 3x what they are now....
That's what I would do....
I do not have a lot of knowledge of public land deer hunting.... but I c an only imagine it has been raped. So I would make all public land draw only for deer. X amount of tags for x amount of hunters.
I would maintain the current county by county harvest number system.... regulate harvest based off hunter surveys and harvest records.
I would start bow season a month early.... the firdt month is buck only.... I woild also end it a month early.... so like January 1st or something to that effect.
I would keep youth season where it is.... I would make gun season Monday through friday, beginning the first Monday after Thanksgiving... muzzy season would be three days in mid to late december.....
I would hike non res tags to 3x what they are now....
That's what I would do....
motorbreaker
*Supporting Member I*
I agree with this. You just cant shoot every deer you see and expect the population not to fall. If people are dumb enough to shoot every deer they see (Like the Amish) then they deserve to not have any deer.
Looking at deer hunting as a whole (In the area I hunt,) I think everything is fine. I have no complaints about the population or the way the ODNR is doing things. If we see a lot of deer we will shoot more. If we see less we will shoot less. Common sense.
I also think the dmu zones will be better then by county, And I agree that some areas should have lottery's for doe permits if the population is to low.
I agree NR fees could be increased but not x3, And it should be increased for the base licence not the tags.
I agree on a NR tag increase. At the very least NR tags should at least match the NR state tag cost where they live. Why should they get a cheap almost free ride.
But some type of prevision should be give to a NR that does own property in Ohio. Not just owning 5-10-20 acres but lets say 40 or 80 acres farm. A average old style farm was 80 acres so 2 guys owning 40 each would be OK with me. No corporations allowed.
Outfitters should be bonded and licensed.
Leasing? How does other big hunting deer states regulate leasing?
motorbreaker
*Supporting Member I*
Here's how I would approach things if I were in charge...
1: Archery season would open September 15 and be buck only until October 15.
2: Archery season would close January 15 and all of January would be buck only.
3: Gun season would remain as it is. Youth would stay where it's at. No bonus gun. Muzzleloader would be the last Thur-Sun of December.
4: Maintain county specific bag limits and take an in depth look at taking does off the menu in certain counties for a season or two.
5: NR license and tags would go to $400 for license and either sex tags would be $50. If you own land in Ohio as NR, you pay the reciprocal rate as your state of residence. Additional revenue go to increasing wildlife law enforcement and infrastructure.
6: Outfitters would be required to be licensed and bonded. All proceeds from this go to land acquisition.
7: I would lobby the House to pass a bill to institute a 5% tax on leased ground. If you lease your ground, you must register that with the state and pay the percentage based on what you make. It can be a pass on cost if you so choose. Regardless, the state makes 5-10% on all leased ground. Those proceeds go to land preservation and improvements of existing public ground.
8: All NR hunters who will be hunting public access ground will be required to purchase a "habitat stamp" when they purchase their license. Cost for the stamp is $10. Fine for hunting without one is $250 for the first offense, $500 for second, revocation of license for 5 years for third. All proceeds from this stamp and fines go to youth education activities.
9: The crop damage permits are limited to 5 per landowner. If you want more, you must enroll your ground in a hunter access program. Don't want to do that, don't ask for more permits. No more shooting them at night or with rifles. All permits must be filled with legal hunting methods in legal hunting hours. No more discarding carcasses, they must be consumed. Part of the increase in law enforcement will be to monitor this situation.
10: And last but not least, increase resident license cost to $35 and either sex tags to $30. Additional revenue goes to law enforcement.
1: Archery season would open September 15 and be buck only until October 15.
2: Archery season would close January 15 and all of January would be buck only.
3: Gun season would remain as it is. Youth would stay where it's at. No bonus gun. Muzzleloader would be the last Thur-Sun of December.
4: Maintain county specific bag limits and take an in depth look at taking does off the menu in certain counties for a season or two.
5: NR license and tags would go to $400 for license and either sex tags would be $50. If you own land in Ohio as NR, you pay the reciprocal rate as your state of residence. Additional revenue go to increasing wildlife law enforcement and infrastructure.
6: Outfitters would be required to be licensed and bonded. All proceeds from this go to land acquisition.
7: I would lobby the House to pass a bill to institute a 5% tax on leased ground. If you lease your ground, you must register that with the state and pay the percentage based on what you make. It can be a pass on cost if you so choose. Regardless, the state makes 5-10% on all leased ground. Those proceeds go to land preservation and improvements of existing public ground.
8: All NR hunters who will be hunting public access ground will be required to purchase a "habitat stamp" when they purchase their license. Cost for the stamp is $10. Fine for hunting without one is $250 for the first offense, $500 for second, revocation of license for 5 years for third. All proceeds from this stamp and fines go to youth education activities.
9: The crop damage permits are limited to 5 per landowner. If you want more, you must enroll your ground in a hunter access program. Don't want to do that, don't ask for more permits. No more shooting them at night or with rifles. All permits must be filled with legal hunting methods in legal hunting hours. No more discarding carcasses, they must be consumed. Part of the increase in law enforcement will be to monitor this situation.
10: And last but not least, increase resident license cost to $35 and either sex tags to $30. Additional revenue goes to law enforcement.
Iowa $544 and by drawing.
Kansas $347 and by drawing.
Why shouldn't Ohio charge the same.
Jesse has some good thoughts and written well. Will these ideas be put into effect, I doubt it?
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Seasons
Archery Sept 15 - Dec 31
Gun - 1 week just as now
MZ - 4 days just as now in January
Youth - same as now.
Separate license or tag for each season, Archery, Gun and MZ ( archery only good during archery, gun only for gun, MZ on for MZ, Youth good in all seasons)
No more than one buck combined regardless of methods or season.
No more than ? does combined. ( dependent on population of county and applies to private lands only) County by county determination.
County by county doe harvest regulated on public hunting grounds through limited tags (Example -Public land antlerless tag -Athens)based up available huntable population. Public land antlerless tags available through drawing of just sold until gone.
Preset number of antlerless tags to public hunting areas based upon county
NR Resident license and tags equal to fees charged in their state to non residents.
Archery Sept 15 - Dec 31
Gun - 1 week just as now
MZ - 4 days just as now in January
Youth - same as now.
Separate license or tag for each season, Archery, Gun and MZ ( archery only good during archery, gun only for gun, MZ on for MZ, Youth good in all seasons)
No more than one buck combined regardless of methods or season.
No more than ? does combined. ( dependent on population of county and applies to private lands only) County by county determination.
County by county doe harvest regulated on public hunting grounds through limited tags (Example -Public land antlerless tag -Athens)based up available huntable population. Public land antlerless tags available through drawing of just sold until gone.
Preset number of antlerless tags to public hunting areas based upon county
NR Resident license and tags equal to fees charged in their state to non residents.
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Great ideas Jesse! Now can you go get a job with the ODNR and make it happen.
Very well thought out.
Very well thought out.
motorbreaker
*Supporting Member I*
Michigan licence cost. http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...0.html&usg=AFQjCNEUnU03kX1GON910oiKLAjw5xyBdg
Pennsylvania Licence cost. http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...mode=2&usg=AFQjCNE1hN7mGgqLP0yzEacA6LiF1HAcog
West Virginia cost. http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...e.shtm&usg=AFQjCNH1YeDFxCSF81bkfviAe_0DHwiOLA
Kentucky licence cost. http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...s.aspx&usg=AFQjCNFUVdsgo89ANOq2kD1EmSgR4jSZTQ
Indiana licence cost. http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...80.htm&usg=AFQjCNFRsVPXAq9OyEXaRB-ZpmskakbIuw
Id say most NR hunters come from these states. There licence cost about the same as Ohio charges now.
NR are only 8% of the deer hunting participants in Ohio. So I think a lot of you should place the leasing blame somewhere else.
Pennsylvania Licence cost. http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...mode=2&usg=AFQjCNE1hN7mGgqLP0yzEacA6LiF1HAcog
West Virginia cost. http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...e.shtm&usg=AFQjCNH1YeDFxCSF81bkfviAe_0DHwiOLA
Kentucky licence cost. http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...s.aspx&usg=AFQjCNFUVdsgo89ANOq2kD1EmSgR4jSZTQ
Indiana licence cost. http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...80.htm&usg=AFQjCNFRsVPXAq9OyEXaRB-ZpmskakbIuw
Id say most NR hunters come from these states. There licence cost about the same as Ohio charges now.
NR are only 8% of the deer hunting participants in Ohio. So I think a lot of you should place the leasing blame somewhere else.
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Spencie
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I'm am not for an earlier archery season at all. I would rather see it start later than earlier. Although I don't hunt a lot in January I like the option of being able to go then so I would rather see archery end on January 31. A late muzzy season (January) ruins late archery. I would like to see muzzy season before Christmas. Then deer would be less stressed in early winter when food sources start to dwindle.
Whats your reasoning for not liking season to open earlier?
Out of curiosity, not being a smart ass... just curious