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giles

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I think I see the problem with credit today...84 months on vehicle loans now?! No wonder you see new ones all over. That's like leasing though, you'll never get ahead. The only advantage is a lower payment, but twice as long. That market has to crash on those numbers.
 

MK111

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Records show almost all vehicles are traded in before the loan runs out. Same thing is true with real estate 30 yrs loans as the average is I believe about 9 yrs and owners purchase a different home.
 

Jackalope

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Thats nuts. I'm a big fan of low commitment high payment. I'll take out a 72 month loan and make payments like it's a 36 month loan. Obviously this is dependent on loan rates between the two but I look at it like cheap insurance. If I was to lose my job or get injured I know my legal commitment is much smaller and affordable. I also pay twice a month instead of once a month. Even if you're just making regular payments, paying half of your monthly payment twice a month cuts months off of the loan.

 

giles

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Records show almost all vehicles are traded in before the loan runs out. Same thing is true with real estate 30 yrs loans as the average is I believe about 9 yrs and owners purchase a different home.

So you never get ahead. Just aimlessly throwing money at something you'll never own. Why not lower your payment more by just leasing, unless you commute like Joe, I don't see a benefit. Seems silly to me. System built to help the companies, not us.
 

MK111

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So you never get ahead. Just aimlessly throwing money at something you'll never own. Why not lower your payment more by just leasing, unless you commute like Joe, I don't see a benefit. Seems silly to me. System built to help the companies, not us.

A lot of buyers only look at the amount of the monthly payment and nothing else. That's the reason leasing is so popular with some customers as they can drive a vehicle more expense than they can afford to buy by just paying a lower monthly lease payment. Then turn it in later and start over again to make themselves feel fuzzy and warm.
Sorry.
 

jagermeister

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Thats nuts. I'm a big fan of low commitment high payment. I'll take out a 72 month loan and make payments like it's a 36 month loan. Obviously this is dependent on loan rates between the two but I look at it like cheap insurance. If I was to lose my job or get injured I know my legal commitment is much smaller and affordable. I also pay twice a month instead of once a month. Even if you're just making regular payments, paying half of your monthly payment twice a month cuts months off of the loan.
This is my exact approach, too. My current truck is the first vehicle I'd ever done biweekly payments on and it made a huge difference in payoff duration. I'll do that from now on that's for sure.
A lot of buyers only look at the amount of the monthly payment and nothing else. That's the reason leasing is so popular with some customers as they can drive a vehicle more expense than they can afford to buy by just paying a lower monthly lease payment. Then turn it in later and start over again to make themselves feel fuzzy and warm.
Sorry.
It's so ridiculous that it's sad. People have no concept of being financially-sound. People are so nearsighted with their money... It's like you said, all they see is their monthly payment, knowing nothing of how that impacts their entire financial picture. And the banks just prey on this. My wife and I have pre-qualified for mortgages in the past where the bank says we're approved for some absurd amount of money. Bank says you can borrow X amount of dollars, even though there's no way in hell you can truly afford that amount. It's lunacy.
 

Redhunter1012

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My ding dong wife would fall right into this. 3 years ago, she wanted to trade in our 4wd Jeep Liberty and get something more economical for work. So I kept the Liberty and just got her a new Kia Rio. Now she wants to trade that in for 2 years now for a Van. Fugg that negative equity crap. Damn car companies send fliers all the time and she leaves them lay out for me. They have called her offering a "great trade in deal" if we come visit. Less than 2 years and we own the car and it has less than 70,000 miles on it. I wont trade shit in to those guys. I'm the guy that will have 6 running vehicles parked in my garages. My kid will be driving in less than 10 years, guess what he gets, haha. Most of my friends all fell into that trap and made jokes about my 2wd truck and my 4wd Jeep while they leased $50,000 vehicles. Now most of them bought their old lady's a good vehicle and bought used like me. There is too much value in buying a good used vehicle nowadays as long as you do your homework. People are dying to give them away to go get the next best thing
 

MK111

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It all boils down to the fuzzy and warm feeling. 'I work hard and I deserve a nice vehicle to drive'. Then they work harder and get employment advancement and it started over again 'I deserve a nicer vehicle because I work damn hard'.
Never thinking that some day they will be older and have to drive a old broken down vehicle because that's all they can afford. Or they can't retire at a younger age because they spent too much 'fuzzy and warm feeling money' over the years.

I'm pissing into the wind here now and getting wet. But anyway.
It's a damn good feeling getting older and owning nothing and have no cares to the world only because I gave up a lot of not spending 'fuzzy and warm money' years ago.
 
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Jamie

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for some people, particularly if you are self-employed, financing vehicles (many other things, too) can create beneficial tax deductions, depreciation, etc. it isn't always crazy, lazy, or stupid to use other peoples money get what you want or need. but I agree, too many people are wasting enormous sums of money paying interest on car loans. mortgages are another matter since, very often, the value of real estate goes up over time. 14 years ago we refinanced our house from a 30 to a 15 year loan. saved us $98,000 in interest. interest rates were down, so our payment stayed the same.
 

giles

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Mind boggling...

I'm just trying to help share my thoughts and maybe help a fellow TOO member to see the light. Although I get razzed a bit over my truck situation, I can't bring myself to purchase a new one. This one gets me by today.
 

hickslawns

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I bought a new daily driver yesterday. I financed it. Made my first payment. Now it is paid off. Lol

You will see me driving a 2001 Tacoma with 95k miles in the near future. I don't need something new. If someone laughs at my "old" new ride, I inwardly chuckle at their vehicle they are making a house payment on to drive it. Stupid people.

 

"J"

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I bought a new daily driver yesterday. I financed it. Made my first payment. Now it is paid off. Lol

You will see me driving a 2001 Tacoma with 95k miles in the near future. I don't need something new. If someone laughs at my "old" new ride, I inwardly chuckle at their vehicle they are making a house payment on to drive it. Stupid people.

lol.... My Tundra was bought brand new.... Last NEW vehicle I purchased was a 87 mustang.... Too many late model vehicles out there too have too eat all that depreciation on new vehicles.... The Tundra was my retirement present lol.... I shopped the best interest rates and got a 1k military discount on top of the agreed on price... Sold my other two trucks, made 12 payments on it and then paid it off....
This will be the last new truck I buy for myself.... May buy the wife a new whatever she wants as I felt a little guilty buying mine even though she suggested I do it lol.....


 

MK111

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I bought a new daily driver yesterday. I financed it. Made my first payment. Now it is paid off. Lol

You will see me driving a 2001 Tacoma with 95k miles in the near future. I don't need something new. If someone laughs at my "old" new ride, I inwardly chuckle at their vehicle they are making a house payment on to drive it. Stupid people.

I did the same thing last summer with a 2001 Tundra with 52K miles. Made one payment and paid it off. Couple door dings but runs like new. Not out to impress anyone not even myself. Wife was for it and she loves the lower price and no debt.
 

hickslawns

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I did the same thing last summer with a 2001 Tundra with 52K miles. Made one payment and paid it off. Couple door dings but runs like new. Not out to impress anyone not even myself. Wife was for it and she loves the lower price and no debt.

Right on. I get it. Don't get me wrong. It wasn't a $15-20-30-40k vehicle. But. . . I don't need a $30k vehicle to run kids to practice, give estimates, or run to pick up some caulking at Menards. I just need a little driver that looks presentable, is reliable, and gets "okay" mileage.
 

jagermeister

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Somewhat off topic question... If you guys are only making one payment and then paying it off, why are you even bothering with financing? Does that improve your credit score? I was always under the assumption that paying things off quickly didn't help, but instead hurt, your credit score. Am I mistaken?

 

"J"

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Somewhat off topic question... If you guys are only making one payment and then paying it off, why are you even bothering with financing? Does that improve your credit score? I was always under the assumption that paying things off quickly didn't help, but instead hurt, your credit score. Am I mistaken?

Didn't have the whole amount at the time, only half of it... Selling the other trucks helped plus the lump sum at retirement.....


Credit score has always been good and I like no debt vs a couple points off the score.... Have never been turned down for a loan so it never came into my thought process....
 

MK111

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Somewhat off topic question... If you guys are only making one payment and then paying it off, why are you even bothering with financing? Does that improve your credit score? I was always under the assumption that paying things off quickly didn't help, but instead hurt, your credit score. Am I mistaken?

I'm sure Phil like me just paid cash for the truck and didn't finance. It's just in the wording I assume.
 

CJD3

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To many younger consumers only care what the monthly payment will be instead of the total cost of the loan over its life.

No one teaches the younger consumers or borrowers how to calculate the cost of money.