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Ohiosam

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The ODNR, Division of Wildlife (DOW) has formed a Deer Management Stakeholder Organization that will be tasked with helping them develop Ohio’s 10-year deer management plan.
The list of organizations includes many of the most interested parties that are able to provide meaningful input regarding Ohio deer management recommendations.
A series of 5 quarterly meetings, taking place from May, 2017 until May, 2018 will take the place of the poorly-attended deer summits that were offered over the past 3 years.
One representative will be supplied from each group, which currently includes (in alphabetical order):
Buckeye Big Buck Club, Buckeye Firearms Association, League of Ohio Sportsmen, Ohio Bowhunters Association, Ohio Conservation Federation, Ohio Dept. of Agriculture, Ohio Farm Bureau, Ohio Farmers Union, Ohio Forestry Association, Ohio Senate, Ohio Wildlife Council, Quality Deer Management Association, Social Media, The Nature Conservancy (Ohio), The Ohio State University Extension, The Outdoor Writers of Ohio, The Whitetail Deer Farmers of Ohio and Whitetails Unlimited.
Dr. Doug Dessette, an applied decision research specialist from The Ohio State University’s School of Environmental and Natural Resources will moderate the sessions. DOW biologists and administrators will play a technical role in the background to provide expertise when called upon by the committee to do so.
Planned topics of discussion will include timing of seasons, deer population goals with respect to their own historical perspectives, interests, but by maintaining a solid foundation of science-based management.
Sportsmen can still make their opinions and preferences known about Ohio’s fish and wildlife management, including our deer population and hunting seasons by attending the annual open houses, offered at each of the DOW District offices on Saturday March 4, 2017.
[Editor's Note: We will provide updates as this project unfolds over the next year. Ohio deer hunters may send questions/comments to us via the email by clicking here.]
This article originally appreared in Ohio Outdoor News. Republished with permission.
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Bigcountry40

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When was this stakeholders group formed, proposed whitetail regulations will be made public tomorrow, did this group have any say in this years proposals.
 

Ohiosam

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Since this sounds like a group that will work on long range plans I doubt they were involved in this year's changes.

One of the stakeholder's is listed as "social media" what doesn't that mean? Joe did they invite you tojoin? :smiley_crocodile:
 

Bigcountry40

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Since this sounds like a group that will work on long range plans I doubt they were involved in this year's changes.

One of the stakeholder's is listed as "social media" what doesn't that mean? Joe did they invite you tojoin? :smiley_crocodile:

Wondering the same about the social media.
 

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Ha. Hell no they didn't. This is simply another way to muddy the waters while giving the appearance they're trying. By creating an official group that all orgnisations can provide input to it allows them to water down the input or influance of any single group. It also allows them to play endless finger pointing while in reality they continue to do what they do which is keep the population low. Instead of a single orgnisations being able to meet the DNR head on about issues they will force you into this group structure.

If you ask me it's in direct reaction to Jesse and I planning the formation of an organisation to unify the voice of ohio deer hunters. What better way to water down the unity of that voice than by placing some arbitrary structure in place to confound the process.

Instead of having the ability to go directly at the DNR on the issues you'll be forced into quarterly meetings with a single representative to push your agenda against the likes of the Ohio farm bureau, Ohio farmers union, an Ohio senator. I.e the insurance lobby. The hippy nature conservatory and others. It's nothing more than a go nowhere do nothing process. All the while the DNR will continue to do what they want and point the finger at others for as to why.
 

hickslawns

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Not liking what I read. Lots of farm agencies listed. I'll give them credit though. It was a savvy move to create more layers of BS for people to wade through. It seems as if it will make your idea more difficult to accomplish.
 

brock ratcliff

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I do not see it as a negative. I do see it as having Mike Rex's fingerprints all over it. Again, not a bad thing. It's an outreach, far more than was previously done. The open house forums have never been well attended. And honestly, reading some of the comments the DOW gets on their FB page leaves me scratching my head! I've never made it a secret that I feel we have cut the deer herd too deep, even with that perspective, some of the suggestions I've read are idiotic. There is no way our herd should be "managed by the masses".

Currently there is NO unified voice for Ohio deer hunters. The groups they have included are the best the DOW could do as I see it. For crying out loud, they even included the OBA... that tells me the DOW is trying to be inclusive, perhaps to a fault.
 

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I do not see it as a negative. I do see it as having Mike Rex's fingerprints all over it. Again, not a bad thing. It's an outreach, far more than was previously done. The open house forums have never been well attended. And honestly, reading some of the comments the DOW gets on their FB page leaves me scratching my head! I've never made it a secret that I feel we have cut the deer herd too deep, even with that perspective, some of the suggestions I've read are idiotic. There is no way our herd should be "managed by the masses".

Currently there is NO unified voice for Ohio deer hunters. The groups they have included are the best the DOW could do as I see it. For crying out loud, they even included the OBA... that tells me the DOW is trying to be inclusive, perhaps to a fault.
It allows the DNR to hide behind a curtain of beaurocratic process that has zero power or ability to make any changes. To expect meaningful compromise from such a diverse group of interest is a pipe dream. It's just a facade so they can continue doing business behind the scenes influenced by lobbyist like they always have. But now they have a whole new basket of excuses and process to point the finger at.

 

giles

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What does farming deer have to do with the wild population? This is stupid…getting real tired of the smoke and mirrors crap. Basically they have blocked out the public on this by making these closed door meetings. Thats outstanding…bunch of dicks.
 

"J"

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Ok my first question is between May 17 and May 18, 5 quarterly meetings? Where'd the 5th quarter come into the picture? Overtime? What's the rules for that???
 

Ohiosam

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Ok my first question is between May 17 and May 18, 5 quarterly meetings? Where'd the 5th quarter come into the picture? Overtime? What's the rules for that???

1:May 17, 2:Aug 17, 3:Nov 17, 4: Feb 18, 5:May 18

A lot of how this turns out will be if those involved reach a strong consensus. If the majority of the groups involved agree to a certain course of action AND they muster their troops into action I believe they can influence the DOW. Now whether that's in a good direction or bad will remain to be seen.
 

Bigcountry40

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What does farming deer have to do with the wild population? This is stupid…getting real tired of the smoke and mirrors crap. Basically they have blocked out the public on this by making these closed door meetings. Thats outstanding…bunch of dicks.

They are a billion dollar industry that wants to continue to make deer urine to sell along with other things. I agree completely have no idea why they would be part of this group.
 

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I still go with the old saying " it's still up to the man whose finger is on the trigger" to make the biggest difference in the heard size.
He who points the finger at the problem, has three pointing at the solution.
 

giles

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I still go with the old saying " it's still up to the man whose finger is on the trigger" to make the biggest difference in the heard size.
He who points the finger at the problem, has three pointing at the solution.

One guy in a field of dreams is a start...
 

Jackalope

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Well, so much for that idea...
Come on jesse. What do you mean, you don't want to sit around the table with a bunch of people arguing their point while behind the scenes they funnel millions to lobbyist amd campaogn coffers to influance the real decision makers.

 

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Maybe I'm alone here but I think the DNR does a pretty good job overall. I believe they have come close to thier "population goals" and we still have deer to shoot. It also looks like they've reduced bag limits and done away with the early muzzleloader season and eliminated some doe only tags in an attempt to slow down the killing a little. I'm hoping through these meetings they decide or are convinced that we need just as many or more deer than we currently have and then work towards that.

I also like how they did away with zones and started going County by county. It's not a perfect system but it seems better.

Sorry if some of you don't see quite as many deer as you think you should but I don't consider our DNR the enemy at all.
 
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