Anyone else see this? Interesting....
http://www.allenbwest.com/michaelcantrell/finally-new-law-deals-devastating-blow-to-gun-free-zones
http://www.allenbwest.com/michaelcantrell/finally-new-law-deals-devastating-blow-to-gun-free-zones
But yeah, better to try to change their minds than infringe on their liberty.
I agree with Wmiller. A private business is off limits. Liberty. It's as ridiculous as gun manufacturers being held responsible in murder cases that use their firearms to commit the crime.
I absolutely agree with this legislation and don't believe it goes against a businesses rights. The business can still post their business and not allow people to carry firearms. They retain that right. The law simply says that if a CCW holder is stripped of his right to carry by a business and something happens the business is liable.
This likely stems from the colorado shooting. Some of the wounded filed a class action against AMC theaters saying that since AMC had a no gun policy AMC was responsible for their protection. They lost the lawsuit and now get this, AMC is suing them for 700k in legal fees.
I am a firm believer that if a business made a choice to prohibit firearms and then something happens to their consumers, they should be 100% liable even if they provide armed security. Their must be consequences for businesses stripping a persons constitutional right to protect themselves and their family.
Once they removed the alcohol serving stipulation and you can carry where alcohol is being served as long as you're not drinking I quit looking for signs. The only place I don't carry is government buildings, schools, etc as that's an actual crime. For private businesses the most that can happen is they try to get trespassing charges pressed against me. Odds are they'll just ask me to leave. I'm not giving up my family's security because some liberal in an office thinks it's good PR to have a sign.
It's not the same because the gun manufactures didn't make a policy decision that lead to damages. There's no direct correlation.
It's not an infringement on liberty because the business is still allowed to post their business. That choice wasn't removed. Their simply te provisions for it if something happens. The business made a decision that impacted their customers, if the customer suffered damages because of that decision the business should be liable.
For example. Say I own a roller coaster and make the decision that I don't like the chest belts and remove them. Someone falls out. I'm liable. A decision I made directly resulted in damages.
I don't want to plow my parking lot and cancel my snow removal contract, someone falls. I'm liable.
I put up a sign saying no shoes can be worn inside, but I don't clean up glass that someone broke. I'm liable.
It's all about a free will decision I made that led to damages.
The same can't be said for gun manufactures where their gun was used in a crime. There's no direct correlation for damages.
Didn't say it was the same. I said it was "as ridiculous as".
Where does it say on their establishment I give up my right to free speech?
Go any Walmart and your statement will be a mute point....
I don't think so. I think it's ridiculous that businesses can make a policy without being liable for those decisions. Especially when it comes to a persons right of security for themselves and their family. The major reason that businesses post those signs is they believe it's a liability to have individuals in their business with a CCW. This establishes a liability by purposefully making their environment less safe. The same as if a business created any other hazard that they would be liable for. If they create an unsafe environment they should be liable for any damages that occur as a result.
If that's the case then the same should be for your home. I wouldn't let someone I didn't know very well in my house with a gun. Should I be held liable if someone shoots him?
I'm sure there is a case about the swimming pool but that doesn't make it right. Also you have the ability to choose which stores you shop at. No one is forcing you to go into that store. You can choose to frequent a store that doesn't post those signs just like they should be able to post the sign if they desire (as dumb as it may be).