Adding 36 to my 9?

Nice looking pistol

Try and shoot one before buying
As I owned a Karr in 40 S&W for 5 days , it was the little one
It plain hurt to shoot

That is why I sujest shooting one of the new "Small" pistols before buying
I only was out $50 , as someone else just had to have it

But sometings you will have something that just dosn't sell and get shafted on traded in

John

People that have the little XD's love them. Also the Glock 30S would be a great option. Right now i have a Gen4 21 IWB on and with a t-shirt on and shorts its not to bad. 38's are great carry guns but i feel extra comfy when i have the 45 on me and with 13 rounds in the full size i feel extra comfy!!!!

I had a new Rossi revolver that jammed and locked up after maybe 50 rounds. Luckily it broke at the range and not when it was needed. It had to be repaired and then I sold it at a gun show and bought a used S&W 10-5 with the money.

The only point to that is that revolvers can fail too.

http://www.activeresponsetraining.net/an-alternate-look-at-handgun-stopping-power

There isn't much of a difference between a 45 & 9mm in stopping power but you give up a lot. Most people can shoot a 9mm faster and more accurately and shoot placement as we all know is king in stopping anything. Also you give up capacity. Finally a 9mm is cheaper to train with.

These are most of the reasons I switched from a 45 to 9mm.

The thing with the nine is over penetration. Get some pass throughs and some non targets could get hit. 45 did a pretty good job from the first world war to the latest one and the guys shooting 45's wouldn't give them up for the nine for nothin!!! The Springfield Professional 1911 (the FBI's gun) has over a two year wait if orderd today and it's in 45 cal and not nine so that says a lot!!!

Myself I prefer a 40S&W. I figure it's about 1/2 way in between the 9 and 45.
I do carry a 380ACP, 9MM in a H&K P7 squeeze cocker.
And a 40S&W in a Glock compact with a internal LaserMax laser.
Anything is better than the pistol left home when you need it.
The last couple years I use the Smartcarry holster only. Comfortable, out of the way and easy to conceal.

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The thing with the nine is over penetration. Get some pass throughs and some non targets could get hit. 45 did a pretty good job from the first world war to the latest one and the guys shooting 45's wouldn't give them up for the nine for nothin!!! The Springfield Professional 1911 (the FBI's gun) has over a two year wait if orderd today and it's in 45 cal and not nine so that says a lot!!!

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IMHO these shortages are cause by want to be armchair Rambo's.

Oh yeah thats for sure. A lot end up being safe queens but have seen a few that are getting used the way they are ment to be also.

GoetsTalon said:

The thing with the nine is over penetration. Get some pass throughs and some non targets could get hit. 45 did a pretty good job from the first world war to the latest one and the guys shooting 45's wouldn't give them up for the nine for nothin!!! The Springfield Professional 1911 (the FBI's gun) has over a two year wait if orderd today and it's in 45 cal and not nine so that says a lot!!!

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The over penetration is not an issue with current hollow point technology.


Check it out, same penetration and 0.13 difference in size. I will take the faster follow up shots and higher capacity.

Using the military which follows the Hague convention on Not using hollow points is a limitation you and I as concealed carriers do not have to deal with. The argument isn't valid because it's not apples to apples, it's apples to oranges.

The 1911 as much as I love it and mine, it's not the best ccw out there. There are reasons it's not used widely anymore and well known 1911 shooters such as Hilton Yam and Larry Vickers do NOT recommend them for ccw at this time.
http://modernserviceweapons.com/?p=6631#more-6631

9mm is plenty for me. I rather have 8 9mm that 5 .45acp. This allowes me to have faster recovery and more accurate follow up shot. If I need something more powerful get a .357 mag k frame with a 2 inch barrel.

I'm only a beer in and it took me forever to figure out the title of this thread.

How about a S&W Shield in .40? 6 or 7 round capacity. 19 oz and .95" width.

Bigger than a nine...but only adding 31 (yea I got it finally)

Hilton and Larry will preach on the guns by companys that pay them the most. I agree 100% that the 1911 isn't for everyone as they both say. Hicks post is from the guys and ladies that are seeing the real world results on flesh and bone and not a gelitin block. Another guy to check out is Massad Ayoob on one shot drops. With my Glock 21 topped off its holding 14 rounds of 200 grain +P ammo and with thirteen more in a spare mag i feel pretty protected lol. Hell a little 22 is better than nothing at all just as long as you know the gun your using very well. Remember guys Front site Squeeezzzzeee!!!!!

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Hilton and Larry will preach on the guns by companys that pay them the most. I agree 100% that the 1911 isn't for everyone as they both say. Hicks post is from the guys and ladies that are seeing the real world results on flesh and bone and not a gelitin block. Another guy to check out is Massad Ayoob on one shot drops. With my Glock 21 topped off its holding 14 rounds of 200 grain +P ammo and with thirteen more in a spare mag i feel pretty protected lol. Hell a little 22 is better than nothing at all just as long as you know the gun your using very well. Remember guys Front site Squeeezzzzeee!!!!!

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Obviously the links I provided were not read. But read them, realize they are written by experts in the field and allow the information to help you come to the best decision for you.

The gun you WILL carry every day is better than the one left at home. However, if you end up needing to use it the gun you can shoot the most accurately and the fastest is the one I want with me.

I have worked in the ER and while the people he has talked to have one opinion, mine is different. The trauma surgeons I know and have worked with are off similar thought. If you want additional information there is a great thread here or look for information by Gary Roberts.

Also here is a great thread about the path away from the 1911
http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?148750-Hilton-Yam-s-path-away-from-the-1911/page13
Post 256 is a good one.

hertl;333110]9mm is plenty for me. I rather have 8 9mm that 5 .45acp. This allowes me to have faster recovery and more accurate follow up shot. If I need something more powerful get a .357 mag k frame with a 2 inch barrel.[/QUOTE]

I had to laugh when I read your post. Not at the content which I agree with about a true story that happened 20 yrs. ago.

Our local police department switched from S&W 357's to Beretta 92's in 9MM. My next door neighbors both were police. They went in right before their daily shift and got their new 92's. Well when he gets ready for afternoon shift he comes over with the pistol in hand and asked my 18 yr. old son to load it for him as he forgot how to operate it.
There you go a policeman with a loaded gun.

Fast forward couple years and he's on night duty and a gets a call about a drunk waving a pistol around outside a bar. He gets there and there's rookie policeman hiding behind his car trying to figure out his Beretta 92's. Another policeman with a loaded gun. Save though since he can't figure out the safety.
The neighbor walks up to the guy shouting "put the gun down" and the drunk turns and points it at him. Bang-Bang he double taps the drunk in the high chest. The drunk looks at the blood coming out of his chest and wipes his hand across the blood and walks over to the building and sets down. The drunk is out of the hospital 7 days later. Under arrest but out.

The neighbor comes over and tells me the story knowing I'm a gun guy. The neighbor thought the guy when shot would fly through the air like in the movies. I explained to him that the movies aren't real and they use a rope to pull the actors down when shot. He didn't know that. Dah.

The police department went to 45ACP pistol couple years later. Now I know as sure as hell most of them can't shoot the 45's.

Sorry about the long rant but I just shake my head and laugh when the thought comes up.

Forgot to mention he shot at least 3 accident shots either loading or unloading the 92. One was through his wedding picture. There may have been more than 3 but we moved away before they moved.