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This won't help the ammo supply or price.

Ohiosam

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In December, the final primary lead smelter in the United States will close. The lead smelter, located in Herculaneum, Missouri, and owned and operated by the Doe Run Company, has existed in the same location since 1892.

The Herculaneum smelter is currently the only smelter in the United States which can produce lead bullion from raw lead ore that is mined nearby in Missouri’s extensive lead deposits, giving the smelter its “primary” designation. The lead bullion produced in Herculaneum is then sold to lead product producers, including ammunition manufactures for use in conventional ammunition components such as projectiles, projectile cores, and primers. Several “secondary” smelters, where lead is recycled from products such as lead acid batteries or spent ammunition components, still operate in the United States.



Doe Run made significant efforts to reduce lead emissions from the smelter, but in 2008 the federal Environmental Protection Agency issued new National Ambient Air Quality Standards for lead that were 10 times tighter than the previous standard. Given the new lead air quality standard, Doe Run made the decision to close the Herculaneum smelter.

Whatever the EPA’s motivation when creating the new lead air quality standard, increasingly restrictive regulation of lead is likely to affect the production and cost of traditional ammunition. Just this month, California Governor Jerry Brown signed into law a bill that will ban lead ammunition for all hunting in California. The Center for Biological Diversity has tried multiple times to get similar regulations at the federal level by trying, and repeatedly failing, to get the EPA to regulate conventional ammunition under the Toxic Substances Control Act.

At this time, it’s unclear if Doe Run or another company will open a new lead smelter in the United States that can meet the more stringent lead air quality standards by using more modern smelting methods. What is clear is that after the Herculaneum smelter closes its doors in December, entirely domestic manufacture of conventional ammunition, from raw ore to finished cartridge, will be impossible.




http://gunssavelives.net/news/last-...mber-due-to-epa-might-affect-ammo-production/
 

hickslawns

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EPA and environmental agencies also killing the coal industry, cellular industry is hurt when they cannot get permits to erect new towers, now the ammo industry. There are very few industries not being affected by these idiotic policies. Not saying "a little" environmental control is a bad thing. Just saying it IS a bad thing when it is shutting down jobs, or entire industries.
 

Ohiosam

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I have a friend that is a dept. manager at a local steel mill. Emission standards are so tight that they can't use an acetylene torch outside the buildings.
 

hickslawns

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They are even cracking down on quarries about dust. It is ridiculous. Watch out Sam. Next thing you know you will need a water system to pre-wet the beans to keep the dust down when picking them. Stupid bureaucrats.

What pisses me off the most is this is NOT about the environment. This is about the dollars produced from the fines, fees, permits, etc. You can make as much mess of the environment as you want so long as you pay enough in fees.
 

RedCloud

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They are even cracking down on quarries about dust. It is ridiculous. Watch out Sam. Next thing you know you will need a water system to pre-wet the beans to keep the dust down when picking them. Stupid bureaucrats.

What pisses me off the most is this is NOT about the environment. This is about the dollars produced from the fines, fees, permits, etc. You can make as much mess of the environment as you want so long as you pay enough in fees.

Or have enough money to buy credits from other companies ;)
 

"J"

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What better way too limit gun use..... Making ammo so difficult too get the average guy won't even try and get any....
 

Ohiosam

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They are even cracking down on quarries about dust. It is ridiculous. Watch out Sam. Next thing you know you will need a water system to pre-wet the beans to keep the dust down when picking them. Stupid bureaucrats.

What pisses me off the most is this is NOT about the environment. This is about the dollars produced from the fines, fees, permits, etc. You can make as much mess of the environment as you want so long as you pay enough in fees.

The local elevators had to spend 100s of thousands of dollars on dust collection at the dump pits a couple years ago.
 
The EPA needs to be regulated! They are a wildcat organization that has had every President fooled into thinking that they're saving the environment...but at what cost. The EPA answers only to the President and gets funding for all kinds of studies and grants for more of their stupid shit regulations.

If they're not picking on a limestone quarry for lime dust, it's the power plants for emissions due to being coal powered and now a lead smelter plant. This crap started years ago with the non-toxic shot b.s. and it's escalated into the monster that it is today.

About 8 years ago, I questioned some O.D.O.T. guys about why they'd stopped picking up the dead deer along the roadways. They were quick to tell me that the Ohio EPA had made a new regulation that dead deer were no longer to be picked up for composting in a landfill. Their reason: ground water contamination. Really? What a bunch of bullshit. Now, the O.D.O.T. guys are not allowed to move dead deer more than 500 ft. from where they fell and they must be covered with mulch.
Ever drive down a highway and see a pile of mulch with hooves sticking out of it? Now you know what your tax money is going for...mulch.

If you recall, a while back the EPA was going to start charging cattle owners $50 per animal, for an Ozone Tax, claiming that the flagulence release from the cattle was damaging the ozone. That's right, a "fart tax". The Cattlemen's Association quickly put this down by saying that they'd just pass on the cost increase to the consumer, by charging more for steaks, the next time there was an EPA convention. It got tied up in court with some research that showed the dinosaurs produced more gas than any of the cattle. So, if there's damage to the ozone, blame it on the dinosaurs. Nuts!

A couple of years ago, Allen County was building a wastewater treatment plant. In order to build, a NPDES permit has to be purchased, through the Ohio EPA and submitted with blue prints, etc. The permit was purchased and bids for construction were put out to contractors. A month later Allen County got a violation letter from the Ohio EPA.
The violation letter stated that there was a failure to report data from this new plant. :smiley_chinrub:
The first shovel of dirt had not been turned. The Ohio EPA was contacted and asked why there was a violation for a plant that does not, yet, exist. Their reply was that it's part of the regulations of having a NPDES permit to report data. If there's no data to report, then you have to report that there's no data to report. Seriously? Yep...that's the EPA.

Nuff said. :smiley_arrogant:
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